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Highlights for the TLDR crowd: multiple cursors and improved editor performance. I know many of our users/contributors are from here so thanks to all of you fo

by ibdknox 12y ago

Highlights for the TLDR crowd: multiple cursors and improved editor performance. I know many of our users/contributors are from here so thanks to all of you for the awesome involvement we've seen. You guys rock :)

Igglyboo 12y ago
I haven't used either but they seem pretty similar, how does atom compare to light table?
- yoklov 12y ago
  They're actually pretty different. LightTable is a much less conventional text editor than Atom.
- Morgawr 12y ago
  One of the two doesn't come with Google analytics automatically included and enabled by default to track your editor usage. I'll let you wonder which of the two.
  - muhuk 12y ago
    I have searched for "ga.js" & "analytics" in the Ligttable repository, nothing came up. So I assume you mean it's Atom that comes with GA tracking enabled by default.
    - rgbrenner 12y ago
      https://atom.io/faq https://atom.io/faq Why does Atom send usage data to Google Analytics? In the same way that aggregate usage information is important when developing a web application, we've found that it's just as important for desktop applications, especially during the beta program. By knowing which Atom features are being used the most, and how the editor is performing, we can focus our development efforts in the right place. For details on what data Atom is sending or to learn how to disable metrics gathering, visit https://github.com/atom/metrics https://github.com/atom/metrics.
      - muhuk 12y ago
        It is unfortunate they've chosen opt-out. This is a tool for developers by developers. Are devs really cool with this, collecting information about them (even if it's anonymized) without their explicit consent? Regardless of who will be the users, opt-in is the civilized and respectful way for this sort of thing.
        serf 12y ago
        I would think that devs would be the most okay with this concept, as they are the only ones that understand what data may or may not actually be transmitted, and the data collection goes towards helping people in the same seat (albeit different projects) as the maker of this product, developers.
        nl 12y ago
        Given that analytics really does let the authors fix problems and inefficiencies that users are having I would imagine people should "be cool" with it.
  - Morgawr 12y ago
    I'm not sure why I am getting downvoted to hell (also Igglyboo's entirely legit question). I just stated a fact, it's really undeniable.
    - rawland 12y ago
      Observed a similar behavior yesterday with critical comments towards Apple's Swift and its similarity to LightTable. I guess a few HN members sense trolling or exert implicit trolling towards critical comments by downvoting them. Got me started to think about: http://mattmaroon.com/2010/11/23/i-quit-hacker-news/ http://mattmaroon.com/2010/11/23/i-quit-hacker-news/ Matt's reasons: 1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are disproportionately represented. 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two. 3. The community is full of ideologues to the point where the comments are most often just predictable talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum. 4. The community is often snobbish and out of touch with how the other half lives. 5. It's a time suck. 6. It removes comments from where they should be, on the destination site. 7. It reduces blogging time. Food for thought. Disclaimer: I'm a devotee of HN; It's home, but also I'm a devotee of critical thinking.
    - nl 12y ago
      You are being downvoted because your point is pretty much irrelevant for most people. Clearly this is about comparing the editors. Analytics is orthogonal to that. If you want to talk about the costs and benefits of Google Analytics them I'm sure there's another thread where it is more relevant. Igglyboo's comment is probably downvoted because they don't "seem similar" at all beyond the idea that they both work with code.
      - Morgawr 12y ago
        >Analytics is orthogonal to that Not when it's included in the editor as a default[0]. If we want to strictly compare editors then we should talk about Codemirror instead of LightTable. This point is really moot. I've used both Atom and LightTable and while I'm not going to argue about the pros and cons of either (I ditched Atom for various reasons), even just thinking about putting some Google web tracking device as an opt-out (instead of opt-in) really makes me abhor Atom. You can disagree with me and you can prefer Atom over LightTable, it's all good, however downvoting because you don't like simple statements that are true won't make them any less true. [0]https://atom.io/faq https://atom.io/faq
mkohlmyr 12y ago
Tweeted you some praise the second I saw the updates. Love the tab changes in particular. Every time there's a new version of LightTable I tell myself I need to pick up Clojure and get involved and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'd be willing to bet your project is doing great things for Clojure adoption (or at least awareness) in general.

by ibdknox 12y ago

Igglyboo 12y ago

I haven't used either but they seem pretty similar, how does atom compare to light table?

yoklov 12y ago
They're actually pretty different. LightTable is a much less conventional text editor than Atom.
Morgawr 12y ago
One of the two doesn't come with Google analytics automatically included and enabled by default to track your editor usage. I'll let you wonder which of the two.
- muhuk 12y ago
  I have searched for "ga.js" & "analytics" in the Ligttable repository, nothing came up. So I assume you mean it's Atom that comes with GA tracking enabled by default.
  - rgbrenner 12y ago
    https://atom.io/faq https://atom.io/faq Why does Atom send usage data to Google Analytics? In the same way that aggregate usage information is important when developing a web application, we've found that it's just as important for desktop applications, especially during the beta program. By knowing which Atom features are being used the most, and how the editor is performing, we can focus our development efforts in the right place. For details on what data Atom is sending or to learn how to disable metrics gathering, visit https://github.com/atom/metrics https://github.com/atom/metrics.
    - muhuk 12y ago
      It is unfortunate they've chosen opt-out. This is a tool for developers by developers. Are devs really cool with this, collecting information about them (even if it's anonymized) without their explicit consent? Regardless of who will be the users, opt-in is the civilized and respectful way for this sort of thing.
      - serf 12y ago
        I would think that devs would be the most okay with this concept, as they are the only ones that understand what data may or may not actually be transmitted, and the data collection goes towards helping people in the same seat (albeit different projects) as the maker of this product, developers.
      - nl 12y ago
        Given that analytics really does let the authors fix problems and inefficiencies that users are having I would imagine people should "be cool" with it.
- Morgawr 12y ago
  I'm not sure why I am getting downvoted to hell (also Igglyboo's entirely legit question). I just stated a fact, it's really undeniable.
  - rawland 12y ago
    Observed a similar behavior yesterday with critical comments towards Apple's Swift and its similarity to LightTable. I guess a few HN members sense trolling or exert implicit trolling towards critical comments by downvoting them. Got me started to think about: http://mattmaroon.com/2010/11/23/i-quit-hacker-news/ http://mattmaroon.com/2010/11/23/i-quit-hacker-news/ Matt's reasons: 1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are disproportionately represented. 2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because many people simply cannot see the difference between the two. 3. The community is full of ideologues to the point where the comments are most often just predictable talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum. 4. The community is often snobbish and out of touch with how the other half lives. 5. It's a time suck. 6. It removes comments from where they should be, on the destination site. 7. It reduces blogging time. Food for thought. Disclaimer: I'm a devotee of HN; It's home, but also I'm a devotee of critical thinking.
  - nl 12y ago
    You are being downvoted because your point is pretty much irrelevant for most people. Clearly this is about comparing the editors. Analytics is orthogonal to that. If you want to talk about the costs and benefits of Google Analytics them I'm sure there's another thread where it is more relevant. Igglyboo's comment is probably downvoted because they don't "seem similar" at all beyond the idea that they both work with code.
    - Morgawr 12y ago
      >Analytics is orthogonal to that Not when it's included in the editor as a default[0]. If we want to strictly compare editors then we should talk about Codemirror instead of LightTable. This point is really moot. I've used both Atom and LightTable and while I'm not going to argue about the pros and cons of either (I ditched Atom for various reasons), even just thinking about putting some Google web tracking device as an opt-out (instead of opt-in) really makes me abhor Atom. You can disagree with me and you can prefer Atom over LightTable, it's all good, however downvoting because you don't like simple statements that are true won't make them any less true. [0]https://atom.io/faq https://atom.io/faq

mkohlmyr 12y ago

Tweeted you some praise the second I saw the updates. Love the tab changes in particular. Every time there's a new version of LightTable I tell myself I need to pick up Clojure and get involved and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'd be willing to bet your project is doing great things for Clojure adoption (or at least awareness) in general.