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People have been writing about variations on the so-called "mutual friends vulnerability" for years and years now. Facebook's response has always been the same.

People have been writing about variations on the so-called "mutual friends vulnerability" for years and years now. Facebook's response has always been the same. You can control what people see on your own profile, but you cannot control what people see on your friends' profiles. Just as if you write on your friend's wall, revealing the fact that you are friends with that person, simply being friends with that person will also reveal to people who can see that friend's profile that the two of you are connected. The name of the setting is "Who can see my friend list", not "Who can see me on my friends' friend list", nor is it "Conceal all links to my profile from my friends' profiles."

DominikR 12y ago
It does reveal to the person you have mutual friends with, who those mutual friends are, but I just can't see an obvious reason why this additional information should be broadcasted to everyone, even persons that are strangers to you and the person you share part of your friendslist with. Edit: To clarify my standpoint I tested this on a friend of mine (person A), that hides his friendslist from everyone but his closest friends. It just happens that I also befriended the persons best friend (person B), and therefore I tried to get the mutual friends between person A and B. What I received were 38 mutual friends, even though I can only see one mutual friend between myself person A. That is clearly information that person A didn't intend to share with me, therefore there has to be a bug or stupidity on Facebooks side involved to uncover this information to me.
- lbotos 12y ago
  The goal of Facebook for users is building a social network and on the corporate side leveraging that social network for monetary gains. Mutual friends lowers the barrier to connecting the social graph.
  - DominikR 12y ago
    Of course, I understand that perfectly well. What I have a problem with is that they gave users a tool to manage and hide certain connections, even though anyone could potentially circumvent that. My position is that the service should work as expected. Either you give your users the means to hide connections, and consequently prevent hacks like this, or you remove that feature and every user will know that this information is public to all your friends. Everything in between is just wrong, because it breaks your users expectations, you've got to be clear about what your service does. Also, I want to be clear that I don't think that Facebook is intentionally doing something evil, it's just a big corporation with lots of different people making decisions. That could happen anywhere.
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- kamjam 12y ago
  Even from the example link the post gives, I am neither friends with Mark Zuckerberg (who has a private list) nor Chris Hughes (who has a public friends list). In this instance I have not had to befriend anyone! https://www.facebook.com/zuck/friends?and=ChrisHughes https://www.facebook.com/zuck/friends?and=ChrisHughes And given that FB has a history of just changing the default security for things without telling anyone, or making the defaults fully open/public, this is a little worrying!
  - thefreeman 12y ago
    It seems like this could be pretty easily fixed by just not allowing arbitrary usernames in the "and" parameter and instead using the currently logged in user. It wouldn't fix everything, but it would mean you at least need to befriend someone in their network before being able to use this attack.
ronaldx 12y ago
> The name of the setting is "Who can see my friend list" And the answer is "anybody" - if they just take a minimal amount of time and effort to piece it together. The setting is giving the sense that the friend list will not be accessible, which is a false implication. Facebook's use of language is misleading (IMO deliberately), and has significant privacy consequences.
- chc 12y ago
  The name of the setting is "Who can see my friends list?" not "Who can reconstruct my friends list from bits and pieces of other people's information?" With this exceptionally broad interpretation of Facebook's promises, it seems like even if they killed the ability to do this, the fact that somebody can just sit down at a computer that's logged in as you and see your friends list also makes them just as much liars.

DominikR 12y ago

It does reveal to the person you have mutual friends with, who those mutual friends are, but I just can't see an obvious reason why this additional information should be broadcasted to everyone, even persons that are strangers to you and the person you share part of your friendslist with. Edit: To clarify my standpoint I tested this on a friend of mine (person A), that hides his friendslist from everyone but his closest friends. It just happens that I also befriended the persons best friend (person B), and therefore I tried to get the mutual friends between person A and B. What I received were 38 mutual friends, even though I can only see one mutual friend between myself person A. That is clearly information that person A didn't intend to share with me, therefore there has to be a bug or stupidity on Facebooks side involved to uncover this information to me.

lbotos 12y ago
The goal of Facebook for users is building a social network and on the corporate side leveraging that social network for monetary gains. Mutual friends lowers the barrier to connecting the social graph.
- DominikR 12y ago
  Of course, I understand that perfectly well. What I have a problem with is that they gave users a tool to manage and hide certain connections, even though anyone could potentially circumvent that. My position is that the service should work as expected. Either you give your users the means to hide connections, and consequently prevent hacks like this, or you remove that feature and every user will know that this information is public to all your friends. Everything in between is just wrong, because it breaks your users expectations, you've got to be clear about what your service does. Also, I want to be clear that I don't think that Facebook is intentionally doing something evil, it's just a big corporation with lots of different people making decisions. That could happen anywhere.
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kamjam 12y ago
Even from the example link the post gives, I am neither friends with Mark Zuckerberg (who has a private list) nor Chris Hughes (who has a public friends list). In this instance I have not had to befriend anyone! https://www.facebook.com/zuck/friends?and=ChrisHughes https://www.facebook.com/zuck/friends?and=ChrisHughes And given that FB has a history of just changing the default security for things without telling anyone, or making the defaults fully open/public, this is a little worrying!
- thefreeman 12y ago
  It seems like this could be pretty easily fixed by just not allowing arbitrary usernames in the "and" parameter and instead using the currently logged in user. It wouldn't fix everything, but it would mean you at least need to befriend someone in their network before being able to use this attack.

ronaldx 12y ago

> The name of the setting is "Who can see my friend list" And the answer is "anybody" - if they just take a minimal amount of time and effort to piece it together. The setting is giving the sense that the friend list will not be accessible, which is a false implication. Facebook's use of language is misleading (IMO deliberately), and has significant privacy consequences.

chc 12y ago
The name of the setting is "Who can see my friends list?" not "Who can reconstruct my friends list from bits and pieces of other people's information?" With this exceptionally broad interpretation of Facebook's promises, it seems like even if they killed the ability to do this, the fact that somebody can just sit down at a computer that's logged in as you and see your friends list also makes them just as much liars.