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Gmail search certainly works. It just doesn't have every feature. It's not "completely broken," but no hits for a query of "zag" in an email that contains "zag

Gmail search certainly works. It just doesn't have every feature. It's not "completely broken," but no hits for a query of "zag" in an email that contains "zagg" comes uncomfortably close to "doesn't work." (FWIW, I use gmail and haven't had any huge problems with search, although I have had to do way more work to find something than I would expect given that it's from Google). Code Complete? really, just read Weinberg 'twas just a quick copy and paste from my fortune file. Although as far as I'm concerned there ain't nothing wrong with Code Complete.

gruseom 17y ago
there ain't nothing wrong with Code Complete It's ok but relatively mediocre, and in my observation usually indicates a programmer who hasn't sought out better sources.
- discojesus 17y ago
  in my observation usually indicates a programmer who hasn't sought out better sources. Those being?
  - gruseom 17y ago
    There are zillions, obviously. What do you want, a list? I don't know, SICP, CLRS, Knuth? Non-mainstream languages? Functional programming? For that matter, a single classic CS paper that wasn't assigned as homework? Code Complete, its grounding in software-engineering literature notwithstanding, isn't very deep.
    - dagw 17y ago
      I consider the lack of depth in Code Complete one of its great strength. You couldn't hand Knuth to a newbie programmer expect them to get anything useful out of it, whereas Code Complete will teach him a lot really useful things he can use his entire career. If you've been working as a programmer for 12 years it probably won't teach you too many new things, but if you've been working for 12 weeks it is a great book.
  - wcarss 17y ago
    I don't really have an opinion to state on the actual discussion at hand, but I figured I'd toss in an old link which contains what some of "those" might be: http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-March/000849.html http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-March/0... Javier Kragen Sitaker's article/mail "My Evolution as a Programmer", recounts one coder's his growth as a programmer, career, and exposure to a variety of books throughout. It's really an excellent read, and contains some comparisons between a few good books - particularly Code Complete and The Pracice of Programming. I quote, During this time, I read "The Practice of Programming", which is a lot like "Code Complete", but shorter and much higher in quality. I had read the same authors' "The Elements of Programming Style" back in 1995, on much the same subjects, but that book is nearly unreadable today --- it's written in PL/1 and FORTRAN IV. TPoP, aside from being written with modern programming languages, also contains insights from several decades more of the authors' experience. -- The author in question is Brian Kernighan. Anyrate, I leave any interested person to go check the article out, if you haven't seen it already.
  - blasdel 17y ago
    It's a bad sign when Jeff Atwood is your biggest proponent :/
    - discojesus 17y ago
      I take solace in the fact that people actually read Code Complete - it's not just a bookshelf ornament. Yes, I know, Knuth is God, and his work is a masterpiece - the point is nobody actually reads the friggin thing.
- khafra 17y ago
  In my experience, it's a more reliable heuristic to fault people for what they haven't read than for what they have read. Some of the smartest people I know can and do quote from childrens' books and anime.

gruseom 17y ago

there ain't nothing wrong with Code Complete It's ok but relatively mediocre, and in my observation usually indicates a programmer who hasn't sought out better sources.

discojesus 17y ago
in my observation usually indicates a programmer who hasn't sought out better sources. Those being?
- gruseom 17y ago
  There are zillions, obviously. What do you want, a list? I don't know, SICP, CLRS, Knuth? Non-mainstream languages? Functional programming? For that matter, a single classic CS paper that wasn't assigned as homework? Code Complete, its grounding in software-engineering literature notwithstanding, isn't very deep.
  - dagw 17y ago
    I consider the lack of depth in Code Complete one of its great strength. You couldn't hand Knuth to a newbie programmer expect them to get anything useful out of it, whereas Code Complete will teach him a lot really useful things he can use his entire career. If you've been working as a programmer for 12 years it probably won't teach you too many new things, but if you've been working for 12 weeks it is a great book.
- wcarss 17y ago
  I don't really have an opinion to state on the actual discussion at hand, but I figured I'd toss in an old link which contains what some of "those" might be: http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-March/000849.html http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-March/0... Javier Kragen Sitaker's article/mail "My Evolution as a Programmer", recounts one coder's his growth as a programmer, career, and exposure to a variety of books throughout. It's really an excellent read, and contains some comparisons between a few good books - particularly Code Complete and The Pracice of Programming. I quote, During this time, I read "The Practice of Programming", which is a lot like "Code Complete", but shorter and much higher in quality. I had read the same authors' "The Elements of Programming Style" back in 1995, on much the same subjects, but that book is nearly unreadable today --- it's written in PL/1 and FORTRAN IV. TPoP, aside from being written with modern programming languages, also contains insights from several decades more of the authors' experience. -- The author in question is Brian Kernighan. Anyrate, I leave any interested person to go check the article out, if you haven't seen it already.
- blasdel 17y ago
  It's a bad sign when Jeff Atwood is your biggest proponent :/
  - discojesus 17y ago
    I take solace in the fact that people actually read Code Complete - it's not just a bookshelf ornament. Yes, I know, Knuth is God, and his work is a masterpiece - the point is nobody actually reads the friggin thing.
khafra 17y ago
In my experience, it's a more reliable heuristic to fault people for what they haven't read than for what they have read. Some of the smartest people I know can and do quote from childrens' books and anime.