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It's destroying our planet and causing untold, horrific amounts suffering to animals just because people get a kick out of chewing on other beings. You may be

by Evgeny 12y ago

It's destroying our planet and causing untold, horrific amounts suffering to animals just because people get a kick out of chewing on other beings. You may be interested in this article: http://anthonycolpo.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands/ http://anthonycolpo.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-... Its arguments, in short, are: Published figures suggest that, in Australia, producing wheat and other grains results in: –at least 25 times more sentient animals being killed per kilogram of useable protein –more environmental damage, and –a great deal more animal cruelty than does farming red meat. Now I'm not saying it's certainly right or wrong, but it may give a new perspective.

xherberta 12y ago
Interesting! Thanks! Animals do provide high quality fertilizers and ecosystem services. I'm trying to cut out factory farmed meat. Hence, budgetary constraints cause me to choose less meat and more pastured eggs. Soy is insanely toxic. Until recently, Asians didn't consider it edible, except for monks who used it to decrease libido.
zurn 12y ago
You are shifting the argument by cherry picking Australian beef production (vs meat production in general). Overwhelmingly most meat production is fed using harvest from cultivated land, hence the claims are irrelevant to the general discussion in addition to being factually uncredible. About the questionable facts: the 25x claim is not substantiated in any way. It doesn't in any way substantiate why use of fertilizers to grow plants for human consumption would be worse than growing grass for the equivalent nutritional value of cows. Lastly, even if you ignore the irrelevance and the bad claims, it concludes that ethically you should only eat rangeland grown meat and kangaroos, a clear counterargument for the usual meat eater diet!
- Evgeny 12y ago
  You are shifting the argument by cherry picking Australian beef production (vs meat production in general). Yes, though not intentionally - this is just an article I read recently so it came up in my memory. I believe, though, that a lot of small animals die because of farming grains everywhere in the world, not only in Australia. Other factors, indeed, may vary greatly. Lastly, even if you ignore the irrelevance and the bad claims, it concludes that ethically you should only eat rangeland grown meat and kangaroos, a clear counterargument for the usual meat eater diet! I agree - if one's aim is to minimize the number of animal deaths or the amount of suffering, that seems to be the answer.

by Evgeny 12y ago

xherberta 12y ago

Interesting! Thanks! Animals do provide high quality fertilizers and ecosystem services. I'm trying to cut out factory farmed meat. Hence, budgetary constraints cause me to choose less meat and more pastured eggs. Soy is insanely toxic. Until recently, Asians didn't consider it edible, except for monks who used it to decrease libido.

zurn 12y ago

You are shifting the argument by cherry picking Australian beef production (vs meat production in general). Overwhelmingly most meat production is fed using harvest from cultivated land, hence the claims are irrelevant to the general discussion in addition to being factually uncredible. About the questionable facts: the 25x claim is not substantiated in any way. It doesn't in any way substantiate why use of fertilizers to grow plants for human consumption would be worse than growing grass for the equivalent nutritional value of cows. Lastly, even if you ignore the irrelevance and the bad claims, it concludes that ethically you should only eat rangeland grown meat and kangaroos, a clear counterargument for the usual meat eater diet!

Evgeny 12y ago
You are shifting the argument by cherry picking Australian beef production (vs meat production in general). Yes, though not intentionally - this is just an article I read recently so it came up in my memory. I believe, though, that a lot of small animals die because of farming grains everywhere in the world, not only in Australia. Other factors, indeed, may vary greatly. Lastly, even if you ignore the irrelevance and the bad claims, it concludes that ethically you should only eat rangeland grown meat and kangaroos, a clear counterargument for the usual meat eater diet! I agree - if one's aim is to minimize the number of animal deaths or the amount of suffering, that seems to be the answer.