3 ms·

I've had a Surface Pro since it was released and I love it. It's better than any Apple product that I've ever owned. Instead of forcing opinionated workflows o

I've had a Surface Pro since it was released and I love it. It's better than any Apple product that I've ever owned. Instead of forcing opinionated workflows on me and artificially limiting my options, I get to work the way that I want to and if I need Unix, it's running in a VM.

Touche 12y ago
It's weird of you to say that given that the Surface RT has the artificial limitation of only being able to run apps from their app store.
- mhurron 12y ago
  The RT and Pro are not the same thing. Notice how everyone is praising the Pro specifically. You're more comparing a MacBook Air to a iPad and asking why is everyone developing on OS X when the iPad is so limited. The RT really should have never existed, it's a horrible mark on the Surface line.
  - Touche 12y ago
    How are they "not the same thing"? The only difference is the chip architecture. That's like saying a PowerPC Mac and a first-gen Intel Mac are "not the same thing". That's ridiculous. That they placed artificial limitations on the ARM version definitely is a black mark on the Surface. I really don't get the love of the Pro though. They are heavy and don't get good battery life. That's fine for a laptop thing, but not for a tablet. And because of the compromises necessary to make it both, it just strikes me as a poor laptop and a poor tablet.
    - martin-adams 12y ago
      >> How are they "not the same thing"? The only difference is the chip architecture A change in CPU architecture has a much wider impact. Windows on ARM cannot run all the legacy windows applications. That definitely "not the same thing" when you need those applications. When Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel, my next Mac meant I had to throw out hundreds of pounds worth of software because, "they are not the same thing" and Final Cut Pro PowerPC version didn't not emulate on Intel. Yes it's heavy compared to other tablets, but far more comfortable in a tablet environment than any laptop.
      - Touche 12y ago
        Windows on ARM can run any software compiled for Windows on ARM. It can run Notepad because they compiled Notepad to run on ARM. It can run Office because they compiled Office to run on ARM. They arbitrarily disallowed anyone else from doing the same thing. This is what killed RT. It's a computer that they gimped so that they could call it an appliance.
        WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        "It's a computer that they gimped so that they could call it an appliance." So what? Nobody was even talking about RT, but besides that - Apple does the same thing with OS X - it can run on any Intel architecture but I'm artificially limited to running it on Apple's outmoded and overpriced hardware. Can we get back to discussing the awesome Surface Pro though? Because that's the machine that represents the future of computing, not the RT and not any Apple device that I can think of. Regarding the battery life (on the Pro) - you couldn't be more wrong. Have you actually used one for 7-8 hours? That's about what I get on my original Surface Pro and the battery life has only gotten better in the newer models.
        Touche 12y ago
        Anything less than 10 hours on a tablet is not-good-enough, IMO. Also, is the Surface Pro 3 light enough to be used without making your arms tired? I had that problem with the original RT.

Touche 12y ago

It's weird of you to say that given that the Surface RT has the artificial limitation of only being able to run apps from their app store.

mhurron 12y ago
The RT and Pro are not the same thing. Notice how everyone is praising the Pro specifically. You're more comparing a MacBook Air to a iPad and asking why is everyone developing on OS X when the iPad is so limited. The RT really should have never existed, it's a horrible mark on the Surface line.
- Touche 12y ago
  How are they "not the same thing"? The only difference is the chip architecture. That's like saying a PowerPC Mac and a first-gen Intel Mac are "not the same thing". That's ridiculous. That they placed artificial limitations on the ARM version definitely is a black mark on the Surface. I really don't get the love of the Pro though. They are heavy and don't get good battery life. That's fine for a laptop thing, but not for a tablet. And because of the compromises necessary to make it both, it just strikes me as a poor laptop and a poor tablet.
  - martin-adams 12y ago
    >> How are they "not the same thing"? The only difference is the chip architecture A change in CPU architecture has a much wider impact. Windows on ARM cannot run all the legacy windows applications. That definitely "not the same thing" when you need those applications. When Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel, my next Mac meant I had to throw out hundreds of pounds worth of software because, "they are not the same thing" and Final Cut Pro PowerPC version didn't not emulate on Intel. Yes it's heavy compared to other tablets, but far more comfortable in a tablet environment than any laptop.
    - Touche 12y ago
      Windows on ARM can run any software compiled for Windows on ARM. It can run Notepad because they compiled Notepad to run on ARM. It can run Office because they compiled Office to run on ARM. They arbitrarily disallowed anyone else from doing the same thing. This is what killed RT. It's a computer that they gimped so that they could call it an appliance.
      - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        "It's a computer that they gimped so that they could call it an appliance." So what? Nobody was even talking about RT, but besides that - Apple does the same thing with OS X - it can run on any Intel architecture but I'm artificially limited to running it on Apple's outmoded and overpriced hardware. Can we get back to discussing the awesome Surface Pro though? Because that's the machine that represents the future of computing, not the RT and not any Apple device that I can think of. Regarding the battery life (on the Pro) - you couldn't be more wrong. Have you actually used one for 7-8 hours? That's about what I get on my original Surface Pro and the battery life has only gotten better in the newer models.
        Touche 12y ago
        Anything less than 10 hours on a tablet is not-good-enough, IMO. Also, is the Surface Pro 3 light enough to be used without making your arms tired? I had that problem with the original RT.