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Hm. I'm a Linux kernel subsystem maintainer, and I think this stereotype ("only extremely accomplished programmers should work on the kernel") probably hurts m

Hm. I'm a Linux kernel subsystem maintainer, and I think this stereotype ("only extremely accomplished programmers should work on the kernel") probably hurts more than it helps. I'm not sure I've ever met someone who wanted to contribute to mainline and didn't understand the responsibility involved. What I think we see more of is excellent programmers who think they aren't good enough for the kernel, with the result that the average age for core kernel developers appears to be increasing all the time. It's not a great situation. I'm not saying my opinion is representative of all kernel maintainers, but I'm personally in favor of losing the "you must be this tall to work on the kernel" rhetoric.

_wmd 12y ago
It's probably more to do with personality type than intelligence or anything else. It takes an extremely thick skin to handle the regular patch review slating dished out by most of the core team.. I simply don't want to deal with that shit for a hobby, and it'd take an impressive salary to make me deal with it professionally. There's being opinionated, then there's being an ass, and I think there's far too much of the latter on the kernel lists. If you look at the modern nerd, compared to the generation that birthed the kernel, they're more socially aware, fashionable animals that are more interested on working on sexy, visible things. Why spend your day dealing with bad attitudes and timing bugs when you can pick up $200k+ writing Ruby apps that enable sharing 5 second video clips? I doubt the kernel will ever be starved for new talent, just that the ratio of people willing to work on it or deal with the social norms it entails is shrinking all the time.
- DigitalJack 12y ago
  I think a better quote would be: "There's being opinionated, there's being an ass, then there's Linus Torvalds."
  - Gracana 12y ago
    Don't worry though, he's not writing a three-paragraph rant calling you stupid, he's calling your idea stupid! Why do people take things so personally!? ...big ol' "/s" Maybe the lkml is not always so bad, but I'd rather not deal with it and so far I have been content playing with my own projects. I feel kind of silly complaining about it when so many people manage it just fine, but then I see another explosion of aggression and drama and think "how are people okay with this?" I can't imagine having to work in an environment like that.
  - bluehazed 12y ago
    And then there's Theo de Raadt :D

_wmd 12y ago

It's probably more to do with personality type than intelligence or anything else. It takes an extremely thick skin to handle the regular patch review slating dished out by most of the core team.. I simply don't want to deal with that shit for a hobby, and it'd take an impressive salary to make me deal with it professionally. There's being opinionated, then there's being an ass, and I think there's far too much of the latter on the kernel lists. If you look at the modern nerd, compared to the generation that birthed the kernel, they're more socially aware, fashionable animals that are more interested on working on sexy, visible things. Why spend your day dealing with bad attitudes and timing bugs when you can pick up $200k+ writing Ruby apps that enable sharing 5 second video clips? I doubt the kernel will ever be starved for new talent, just that the ratio of people willing to work on it or deal with the social norms it entails is shrinking all the time.

DigitalJack 12y ago
I think a better quote would be: "There's being opinionated, there's being an ass, then there's Linus Torvalds."
- Gracana 12y ago
  Don't worry though, he's not writing a three-paragraph rant calling you stupid, he's calling your idea stupid! Why do people take things so personally!? ...big ol' "/s" Maybe the lkml is not always so bad, but I'd rather not deal with it and so far I have been content playing with my own projects. I feel kind of silly complaining about it when so many people manage it just fine, but then I see another explosion of aggression and drama and think "how are people okay with this?" I can't imagine having to work in an environment like that.
- bluehazed 12y ago
  And then there's Theo de Raadt :D