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> It feels like not too long ago a couple guys lost their job for making a joke about dongles and forking. I fail to see how that was worse than this. That wa

> It feels like not too long ago a couple guys lost their job for making a joke about dongles and forking. I fail to see how that was worse than this. That was Joe Schmoe male developer, who it is acceptable to fire for the slightest of reasons, including making an innocuous joke that wouldn't be out of place in a K-12 classroom. The men who are the customers of this startup are the rich guys in Silicon Valley who are awash in cash and cannot be fired. The two are worlds apart, don't be under any impression that they mix in any sense whatsoever. Unfortunately, the first group (Joe Schmoe) is squeezed to the max by policing by interest groups like "Geek Feminism" and suchlike. Notably, Geek Feminism seems to have a neutral/positive approach to this Dating Ring thing (http://geekfeminism.org/2013/12/30/happy-new-linkspam-30-december-2013/ http://geekfeminism.org/2013/12/30/happy-new-linkspam-30-dec...) -- the company is referred to as "Y Combinator's first all-female company", and no negative comments.

frostmatthew 12y ago
> The men who are the customers of this startup are the rich guys in Silicon Valley who are awash in cash and cannot be fired. I'm guessing you missed the news over the last couple months of GitHub[1] and Rap Genius[2] each letting a co-founder go? [1] https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-results https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-... [2] http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-fired/ http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-...
- parennoob 12y ago
  This doesn't change the fact that those two are still awash in cash. They could easily be part of the rich guys in this program and this Dating Ring thing would welcome them with open arms. Meanwhile, Joe Dev who is working 10 hours a day will be fired for saying "Hee hee hee, look at this huge dongle I just got." at a tech conference.
groby_b 12y ago
Really? There's a interest police out to get all the poor guys? Or maybe, just maybe, it's time for guys to learn that women should be treated with respect. (And obviously vice versa, before that gets rolled out). Sexual innuendo does not qualify as respect. It certainly doesn't belong in a K-12 classroom. As for your "evidence" from GeekFeminism, you will note that that's a linkspam page, merely linking and quoting, without any commentary. And the quote is not about The Dating Ring, but about the changes that are necessary for the industry to become more diversified. (Yes, there's a lot of irony in this coming from the women who're responsible for this bride-for-sale scheme)
- ufmace 12y ago
  I remember the case he mentioned well enough. As I remember, 2 male developers were making some perhaps tasteless jokes to each other, not referencing anyone in particular. A woman seated nearby, whose job is outreach to developers like them, overheard, and decided that it would be a good idea to take a picture of them, without their permission, of course, and call them out on the internet about it. A standard gender in tech scandal ensued. Sounds a lot more like an interest police out to get guys than anything to do with respect for women to me.
- parennoob 12y ago
  > Sexual innuendo does not qualify as respect. This has been rehashed aplenty. Sexual innuendo between two people, when not directed at a third person does not qualify as disrespect to the third person, unless you're trying very hard to feel disrespected. > It certainly doesn't belong in a K-12 classroom. If you think it doesn't belong in a K-12 classroom, I seriously doubt you have ever interacted with anyone in high school. Please read the data in this and draw your own conclusions. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html
  - groby_b 12y ago
    If I were to say that "you're ${INSULT}" when you can't hear me, is that not disrespecting you? If I close all my HN posts with "parenoob is ${INSULT}", is that not disrespecting you? Or, to stick with the 2-people restriction, if I closed all my direct e-mails with that statement? The answer should be fairly obvious. As for point 2, the fact that teens are currently taught to be sexist doesn't mean they should be taught to be sexist, or that it's OK. Especially not from adults.

frostmatthew 12y ago

> The men who are the customers of this startup are the rich guys in Silicon Valley who are awash in cash and cannot be fired. I'm guessing you missed the news over the last couple months of GitHub[1] and Rap Genius[2] each letting a co-founder go? [1] https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-results https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-... [2] http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-fired/ http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-...

parennoob 12y ago
This doesn't change the fact that those two are still awash in cash. They could easily be part of the rich guys in this program and this Dating Ring thing would welcome them with open arms. Meanwhile, Joe Dev who is working 10 hours a day will be fired for saying "Hee hee hee, look at this huge dongle I just got." at a tech conference.

groby_b 12y ago

Really? There's a interest police out to get all the poor guys? Or maybe, just maybe, it's time for guys to learn that women should be treated with respect. (And obviously vice versa, before that gets rolled out). Sexual innuendo does not qualify as respect. It certainly doesn't belong in a K-12 classroom. As for your "evidence" from GeekFeminism, you will note that that's a linkspam page, merely linking and quoting, without any commentary. And the quote is not about The Dating Ring, but about the changes that are necessary for the industry to become more diversified. (Yes, there's a lot of irony in this coming from the women who're responsible for this bride-for-sale scheme)

ufmace 12y ago
I remember the case he mentioned well enough. As I remember, 2 male developers were making some perhaps tasteless jokes to each other, not referencing anyone in particular. A woman seated nearby, whose job is outreach to developers like them, overheard, and decided that it would be a good idea to take a picture of them, without their permission, of course, and call them out on the internet about it. A standard gender in tech scandal ensued. Sounds a lot more like an interest police out to get guys than anything to do with respect for women to me.
parennoob 12y ago
> Sexual innuendo does not qualify as respect. This has been rehashed aplenty. Sexual innuendo between two people, when not directed at a third person does not qualify as disrespect to the third person, unless you're trying very hard to feel disrespected. > It certainly doesn't belong in a K-12 classroom. If you think it doesn't belong in a K-12 classroom, I seriously doubt you have ever interacted with anyone in high school. Please read the data in this and draw your own conclusions. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html
- groby_b 12y ago
  If I were to say that "you're ${INSULT}" when you can't hear me, is that not disrespecting you? If I close all my HN posts with "parenoob is ${INSULT}", is that not disrespecting you? Or, to stick with the 2-people restriction, if I closed all my direct e-mails with that statement? The answer should be fairly obvious. As for point 2, the fact that teens are currently taught to be sexist doesn't mean they should be taught to be sexist, or that it's OK. Especially not from adults.