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I respectfully submit that you missed my point. I randomly picked C++ as a language you didn't mention. My point is that you were being condescending. I'll be

I respectfully submit that you missed my point. I randomly picked C++ as a language you didn't mention. My point is that you were being condescending. I'll be more direct: please don't be condescending. (I really don't know how to deal with the fact that you're seriously talking about who is and who isn't qualified to work on nuclear operations based on languages they've used.)

Ygg2 12y ago
And you missed my point. Right tool for the right job. You don't take a fork to drink a soup and you don't take a spoon to cut meat (unless the knife is duller than the spoon). Sure sometimes is fun to improvise by using knife as a fork, but that's a silly way to eat. With that in mind a different language operates with a different set of limitations and a different mental model of execution. Most people that program in Java don't have to worry too much about memory footprint, whether GC pause will kill performance, etc. Fact that they are using GC means they accepted non-deterministic pauses as part of the programming. To move from that frame of mind to a really performance sensitive where frequency and voltage matters requires a radical shift of thought.
- burntsushi 12y ago
  > And you missed my point. Right tool for the right job. You didn't say, "Don't use Go for nuclear operations." You said, "I don't want people who've ever used Go to work on nuclear operations." The former is perfectly reasonable. The latter is a gross over generalization and extremely condescending. > Most people that program in Java don't have to worry too much about memory footprint Here's a novel thought: not every programmer who uses Java has only used Java.
  - Ygg2 12y ago
    > You said, "I don't want people who've ever used Go to work on nuclear operations." Artistic license/ Rule of Funny. Using a correct form, wouldn't have been as funny. Also yeah, it's supposed to be condescending. I was mocking the author, mirroring his condescension towards the Rust team (to paraphrase said - stop checkmarking GC, get crackin' on Rust; Wouldn't use Rust in a nuclear power plant).
    - burntsushi 12y ago
      Got it. You insult large groups of people for comedic effect. Uh huh.
      - Ygg2 12y ago
        Yup. Just like personZ.

Ygg2 12y ago

And you missed my point. Right tool for the right job. You don't take a fork to drink a soup and you don't take a spoon to cut meat (unless the knife is duller than the spoon). Sure sometimes is fun to improvise by using knife as a fork, but that's a silly way to eat. With that in mind a different language operates with a different set of limitations and a different mental model of execution. Most people that program in Java don't have to worry too much about memory footprint, whether GC pause will kill performance, etc. Fact that they are using GC means they accepted non-deterministic pauses as part of the programming. To move from that frame of mind to a really performance sensitive where frequency and voltage matters requires a radical shift of thought.

burntsushi 12y ago
> And you missed my point. Right tool for the right job. You didn't say, "Don't use Go for nuclear operations." You said, "I don't want people who've ever used Go to work on nuclear operations." The former is perfectly reasonable. The latter is a gross over generalization and extremely condescending. > Most people that program in Java don't have to worry too much about memory footprint Here's a novel thought: not every programmer who uses Java has only used Java.
- Ygg2 12y ago
  > You said, "I don't want people who've ever used Go to work on nuclear operations." Artistic license/ Rule of Funny. Using a correct form, wouldn't have been as funny. Also yeah, it's supposed to be condescending. I was mocking the author, mirroring his condescension towards the Rust team (to paraphrase said - stop checkmarking GC, get crackin' on Rust; Wouldn't use Rust in a nuclear power plant).
  - burntsushi 12y ago
    Got it. You insult large groups of people for comedic effect. Uh huh.
    - Ygg2 12y ago
      Yup. Just like personZ.