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This is true, but Patrick does pop up on a lot of Go threads saying negative things. If the Rust team doesn't want to be perceived as critical of Go then they s

by enneff 12y ago

This is true, but Patrick does pop up on a lot of Go threads saying negative things. If the Rust team doesn't want to be perceived as critical of Go then they shouldn't be so vocal about it.

steveklabnik 12y ago
I have lots of negative things to say about Go too, but it has nothing to do with Rust. I also have lots of positive things to say as well, but they have nothing to do with Rust. I haven't felt that way about pcwalton's comments. Maybe I'm wrong. Care to link some comments?
- cnbuff410 12y ago
  Just click on his profile and view his comment history. You won't find the examples lacking
pcwalton 12y ago
I try to be balanced—I've made it clear that I like a lot of the decisions in Go and have no animosity toward the team—but I will stop commenting on Go if you'd like. No big deal.
- enneff 12y ago
  It's not my place to ask you to do anything, and I didn't raise this topic. I'm just saying: if you're wondering why people think the Rust team has a beef with Go, that's one reason.
  - pcwalton 12y ago
    Eh, Rust and Go have been perceived as direct competitors since the day Rust was announced, and before I even worked on it. They even were more direct competitors before Rust started ironing out its low-level performance story and dropped GC. That perception's hard to shake. And sure, I did end up learning quite a bit about Go. No, Go didn't make all the design decisions I would have made if I were designing the language, and yes, I've posted about some of those on here (null pointers, generics, zero values, lack of memory safety when racing on maps). But that doesn't mean I think it's a bad language, and I'd even like to use Go at some point for some projects (lack of time, argh).
    - enneff 12y ago
      Sure. I know you feel that way. But "the Rust and Go teams hate each other!" is a delicious and irresistible idea for some. When we are vocally critical of one another it perpetuates that meme whether we mean it or not. :-)
      - pcwalton 12y ago
        Fair enough.
- sanderjd 12y ago
  Please don't stop commenting on Go. There aren't all that many mainstream (sort of...) language implementors who comment here, which makes your point of view rather unique and very interesting. I'd love to see you comment about more languages, not fewer. While I'm definitely something of a Rust fanboi, this goes for anybody with a depth of experience in actually working on a language - I love reading their thoughts about the trade-offs that their own and other languages made.

by enneff 12y ago

This is true, but Patrick does pop up on a lot of Go threads saying negative things. If the Rust team doesn't want to be perceived as critical of Go then they shouldn't be so vocal about it.

steveklabnik 12y ago

I have lots of negative things to say about Go too, but it has nothing to do with Rust. I also have lots of positive things to say as well, but they have nothing to do with Rust. I haven't felt that way about pcwalton's comments. Maybe I'm wrong. Care to link some comments?

cnbuff410 12y ago
Just click on his profile and view his comment history. You won't find the examples lacking

pcwalton 12y ago

I try to be balanced—I've made it clear that I like a lot of the decisions in Go and have no animosity toward the team—but I will stop commenting on Go if you'd like. No big deal.

enneff 12y ago
It's not my place to ask you to do anything, and I didn't raise this topic. I'm just saying: if you're wondering why people think the Rust team has a beef with Go, that's one reason.
- pcwalton 12y ago
  Eh, Rust and Go have been perceived as direct competitors since the day Rust was announced, and before I even worked on it. They even were more direct competitors before Rust started ironing out its low-level performance story and dropped GC. That perception's hard to shake. And sure, I did end up learning quite a bit about Go. No, Go didn't make all the design decisions I would have made if I were designing the language, and yes, I've posted about some of those on here (null pointers, generics, zero values, lack of memory safety when racing on maps). But that doesn't mean I think it's a bad language, and I'd even like to use Go at some point for some projects (lack of time, argh).
  - enneff 12y ago
    Sure. I know you feel that way. But "the Rust and Go teams hate each other!" is a delicious and irresistible idea for some. When we are vocally critical of one another it perpetuates that meme whether we mean it or not. :-)
    - pcwalton 12y ago
      Fair enough.
sanderjd 12y ago
Please don't stop commenting on Go. There aren't all that many mainstream (sort of...) language implementors who comment here, which makes your point of view rather unique and very interesting. I'd love to see you comment about more languages, not fewer. While I'm definitely something of a Rust fanboi, this goes for anybody with a depth of experience in actually working on a language - I love reading their thoughts about the trade-offs that their own and other languages made.