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I just wish they'd release an LOC limited trial version. I'd love to give it a spin, but I'm not about to fork out that much money just to try it...

by scoot 12y ago

Karunamon 12y ago
Likewise. $200 is a lot of money to throw down on something sight unseen, money back guarantees or otherwise.
- donw 12y ago
  I disagree. Somebody that doesn't want to spend $200 on a product with a complete-satisfaction guarantee probably won't be a very good long-term customer. The RubyMotion guys are filtering out the low-end of the market, which from a business perspective, is a good move.
  - Karunamon 12y ago
    Um.. no. Sorry. I haven't done that for desktop software since the early 2000s. You're asking for a lot of damn money on nothing but faith. Besides, every crappy product advertised on TV ever offers a "money back guarantee", and some cursory googling should show that those often aren't worth the electrons used to transmit the image to the screen. This is the internet age, and we're talking about software. You get paid after I see what you're selling, and not before. Code samples and writeups are nice, but it's no substitute for getting one's hands on the tool. I'd also like to call out the rather annoying trend of any criticism of pricing being met with the "keeping out the low end market" dismissal. Sometimes, your product is just overpriced and your sales methods leave a lot to be desired.
    - jamon51 12y ago
      I can attest, as a RubyMotion early adopter, the product and especially the customer service make the $200 entry point and $100 service renewal well worth it. If excellent customer reviews and a real money-back guarantee don't convince you, then I'm not sure a free trial will either.
    - res0nat0r 12y ago
      You've not experienced much of the high end market then. SAP / Oracle / many other enterprise apps cost thousands to tens / hundreds of thousands of dollars to license.
    - venus 12y ago
      I have to say I have trouble taking comments like this seriously. $200 is "a lot of damn money"? Are you kidding? This is a professional tool for software developers. You do know you'll need a $100/yr ADC membership to even run your software on an iOS device, right? Many developers have no problem whatsoever spending $200 on a tool like rubymotion, in fact I think it's a bargain. A money back guarantee is a bonus, and no-one has any reasonable doubt as to its legitimacy. I agree completely with the GP that this makes good business sense.
      - Karunamon 12y ago
        I'm glad you have the disposable income to spend on something without even knowing in advance if it's something you'll use or even like. I do not. But apparently personal principles are unwelcome here.
- mark_l_watson 12y ago
  I bought it a year ago, used it heavily for a few days, decided that it was not what I needed, and they refunded my money.
hipcactus 12y ago
Can anyone confirm the 30 day guarantee?
- stillmotion 12y ago
  Yes it's a real guarantee. I have exercised it in the past and they are quick to refund.
afternooner 12y ago
I agree, and the 30 day trial isn't enough. It would be side projects, so I may get to hack on it for a day and maybe a night or two. I can write Obj-C, and Java, they just aren't as intuitive or enjoyable to me. And lets face it, $200 is just too much to spend when RubyMotion may not exist for version 4, and then I have an entire application that needs to be ported into Obj-C and Java... And a promise of open sourcing it doesn't help, because there may be no maintainers. IronRuby, now that C# has dynamics, would be awesome. But it hasn't been updated in 3 years. I'd even drop $100 sight unseen. But $200... Noooope.
- venus 12y ago
  > $200 is just too much to spend when RubyMotion may not exist for version 4 Do you see the contradiction here? I am happy, delighted even, to pay $200 (and then $100/yr) precisely because I know it is going to keep the company afloat for version 4, and 5, and 6. If anything I worry they are charging too little. You want good things to exist, someone has to pay for them! Why is this so hard to understand?
  - afternooner 12y ago
    Um, because I don't know if it's a good thing. How hard is that for you to understand. Seriously, did you read my comment before deciding to lay on the snark.

I just wish they'd release an LOC limited trial version. I'd love to give it a spin, but I'm not about to fork out that much money just to try it...

by scoot 12y ago

I just wish they'd release an LOC limited trial version. I'd love to give it a spin, but I'm not about to fork out that much money just to try it...

Karunamon 12y ago

Likewise. $200 is a lot of money to throw down on something sight unseen, money back guarantees or otherwise.

donw 12y ago
I disagree. Somebody that doesn't want to spend $200 on a product with a complete-satisfaction guarantee probably won't be a very good long-term customer. The RubyMotion guys are filtering out the low-end of the market, which from a business perspective, is a good move.
- Karunamon 12y ago
  Um.. no. Sorry. I haven't done that for desktop software since the early 2000s. You're asking for a lot of damn money on nothing but faith. Besides, every crappy product advertised on TV ever offers a "money back guarantee", and some cursory googling should show that those often aren't worth the electrons used to transmit the image to the screen. This is the internet age, and we're talking about software. You get paid after I see what you're selling, and not before. Code samples and writeups are nice, but it's no substitute for getting one's hands on the tool. I'd also like to call out the rather annoying trend of any criticism of pricing being met with the "keeping out the low end market" dismissal. Sometimes, your product is just overpriced and your sales methods leave a lot to be desired.
  - jamon51 12y ago
    I can attest, as a RubyMotion early adopter, the product and especially the customer service make the $200 entry point and $100 service renewal well worth it. If excellent customer reviews and a real money-back guarantee don't convince you, then I'm not sure a free trial will either.
  - res0nat0r 12y ago
    You've not experienced much of the high end market then. SAP / Oracle / many other enterprise apps cost thousands to tens / hundreds of thousands of dollars to license.
  - venus 12y ago
    I have to say I have trouble taking comments like this seriously. $200 is "a lot of damn money"? Are you kidding? This is a professional tool for software developers. You do know you'll need a $100/yr ADC membership to even run your software on an iOS device, right? Many developers have no problem whatsoever spending $200 on a tool like rubymotion, in fact I think it's a bargain. A money back guarantee is a bonus, and no-one has any reasonable doubt as to its legitimacy. I agree completely with the GP that this makes good business sense.
    - Karunamon 12y ago
      I'm glad you have the disposable income to spend on something without even knowing in advance if it's something you'll use or even like. I do not. But apparently personal principles are unwelcome here.
mark_l_watson 12y ago
I bought it a year ago, used it heavily for a few days, decided that it was not what I needed, and they refunded my money.

hipcactus 12y ago

Can anyone confirm the 30 day guarantee?

stillmotion 12y ago
Yes it's a real guarantee. I have exercised it in the past and they are quick to refund.

afternooner 12y ago

I agree, and the 30 day trial isn't enough. It would be side projects, so I may get to hack on it for a day and maybe a night or two. I can write Obj-C, and Java, they just aren't as intuitive or enjoyable to me. And lets face it, $200 is just too much to spend when RubyMotion may not exist for version 4, and then I have an entire application that needs to be ported into Obj-C and Java... And a promise of open sourcing it doesn't help, because there may be no maintainers. IronRuby, now that C# has dynamics, would be awesome. But it hasn't been updated in 3 years. I'd even drop $100 sight unseen. But $200... Noooope.

venus 12y ago
> $200 is just too much to spend when RubyMotion may not exist for version 4 Do you see the contradiction here? I am happy, delighted even, to pay $200 (and then $100/yr) precisely because I know it is going to keep the company afloat for version 4, and 5, and 6. If anything I worry they are charging too little. You want good things to exist, someone has to pay for them! Why is this so hard to understand?
- afternooner 12y ago
  Um, because I don't know if it's a good thing. How hard is that for you to understand. Seriously, did you read my comment before deciding to lay on the snark.