Simply put, i've been in this business since 2001, have done 3 years of PHP myself, and have never met a PHP programmer who liked PHP and wasn't an exact fit of

Simply put, i've been in this business since 2001, have done 3 years of PHP myself, and have never met a PHP programmer who liked PHP and wasn't an exact fit of the description i gave. For a time there even was a PHP developer who i thought was very good, but that judgement turned out to be borne of my ignorance when that person turned out to be unwilling and uncapable to consider the advantages of automated testing. Some people might not like to hear this, but over a decade of experience has convinced me that this is sad and simple fact. The post i was responding to tried to use the reactions of a PHP programmer to make a factual statement about Perl without even attempting to consider the possibility that said programmer might be both not experienced enough, and inherently unwilling to accept Perl as even being good. I was not aiming to insult, though some might certainly feel offended, but explain why the poster above failed to make a useful point.