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Is this like Captain Planet? It's a bit exceptional to divide access servers of similar type between administrators such that individuals have full access to a

by akerl_ 12y ago

Is this like Captain Planet? It's a bit exceptional to divide access servers of similar type between administrators such that individuals have full access to a portion of the fleet. Do they meet up and put their rings together to roll out updates? What if one of them goes on vacation?

lmm 12y ago
There are keysharing protocols; you can do something like 5 sysadmins have a split of the master key such that any 3 of them can access the master account.
- akerl_ 12y ago
  For day-to-day maintenance of systems, that's crippling. If I need 2 cosigns to run "date" across the fleet while I'm troubleshooting an NTP issue, and then 2 cosigns again to run "service ntpd status", and so forth, my coworkers will have lit my desk on fire long before I fix the clocks. There are definitely use cases for keysharing systems like you describe: if we're talking about getting access to a database with sensitive information, or signing a new cert that all our systems are about to put their full faith in. But for the day-to-day administrative efforts, it's overkill and ends up being counterproductive: after a certain point, Alice and Bob write scripts that let them hotkey signing off on my requests.
  - aiiane 12y ago
    "date" and service status don't typically require root.
  - rodgerd 12y ago
    I'm not worried about how crippling that sort of scenario is on a day to day basis, because presumably the company doesn't mind paying a fortune for a bunch of people to sit around to hold one anothers' keys. I worry about those policies when the shit hits the fan and you're trying to fix a production problem hobbled by an inability to do stuff without three fingers on every keystroke.
    - akerl_ 12y ago
      Agreed. Ideally, whatever system is in use for managing infrastructure provides sanity checks while I'm working, but either gets out of my way or can be sidestepped if need be. I don't want to be crippled by technical red tape when things are on fire.
- richardkmichael 12y ago
  I've not needed this, but it's a nice idea. Do you do this with a combination of sudo/PAM|pubkey auth? I can google, but can you push me off in the right direct? Thanks!
  - lmm 12y ago
    I've not been directly involved, so your googling may well be as good as mine; on a quick look you might have to do this manually using ssss (and then each person encrypts their piece with gpg --symmetric or the like).
peterwwillis 12y ago
Actually, capabilities makes it trivial to lock down things like shutdown for admin accounts. A script can do the shutdown instead in a more controlled and less error-prone fashion. Same for network device updates. Abstraction.

by akerl_ 12y ago

lmm 12y ago

There are keysharing protocols; you can do something like 5 sysadmins have a split of the master key such that any 3 of them can access the master account.

akerl_ 12y ago
For day-to-day maintenance of systems, that's crippling. If I need 2 cosigns to run "date" across the fleet while I'm troubleshooting an NTP issue, and then 2 cosigns again to run "service ntpd status", and so forth, my coworkers will have lit my desk on fire long before I fix the clocks. There are definitely use cases for keysharing systems like you describe: if we're talking about getting access to a database with sensitive information, or signing a new cert that all our systems are about to put their full faith in. But for the day-to-day administrative efforts, it's overkill and ends up being counterproductive: after a certain point, Alice and Bob write scripts that let them hotkey signing off on my requests.
- aiiane 12y ago
  "date" and service status don't typically require root.
- rodgerd 12y ago
  I'm not worried about how crippling that sort of scenario is on a day to day basis, because presumably the company doesn't mind paying a fortune for a bunch of people to sit around to hold one anothers' keys. I worry about those policies when the shit hits the fan and you're trying to fix a production problem hobbled by an inability to do stuff without three fingers on every keystroke.
  - akerl_ 12y ago
    Agreed. Ideally, whatever system is in use for managing infrastructure provides sanity checks while I'm working, but either gets out of my way or can be sidestepped if need be. I don't want to be crippled by technical red tape when things are on fire.
richardkmichael 12y ago
I've not needed this, but it's a nice idea. Do you do this with a combination of sudo/PAM|pubkey auth? I can google, but can you push me off in the right direct? Thanks!
- lmm 12y ago
  I've not been directly involved, so your googling may well be as good as mine; on a quick look you might have to do this manually using ssss (and then each person encrypts their piece with gpg --symmetric or the like).

peterwwillis 12y ago

Actually, capabilities makes it trivial to lock down things like shutdown for admin accounts. A script can do the shutdown instead in a more controlled and less error-prone fashion. Same for network device updates. Abstraction.