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By assuming they evolve in the same way they've been evolving since WWII. While it may not look like it in San Francisco, but there are huge groups in the count
by waps 12y ago
By assuming they evolve in the same way they've been evolving since WWII. While it may not look like it in San Francisco, but there are huge groups in the country, white and non-white that are having quite a few kids. Not enough to make population rise, but enough to keep it stable. It seems a vast number of people prefers a small city or medium city lifestyle with 3 kids. The weird thing is that this will make the experience of so many San Franciscans today a feature of the first half of the 21st century too. A hell of a lot of new immigrants will come from a pretty strict religious background and feel like releasing some steam in their early twenties. The influx of people like that should continue for another 20 years at least.
So the assumption is that the population of the US will continue to climb slowly due to natural growth, accelerated a little bit, but not much, by immigration.
Now if you look at the EU or China, they have a very different story. The EU has been stuck in a massive population drop rate (roughly approaching next generations being 50-70% of the previous generation for all of Western Europe, coupled with massive immigration numbers that make the numbers barely stable). That means that in a lot of countries in Western Europe, approaching 50% of the <20 population is of foreign origin, first or second generation, mostly from Northern Africa and the middle east. These numbers look scary, yet in the major cities, Paris, London, ... they look a lot scarier still. If the "unemployed youths that don't fit into society leads to revolution" crowd is correct, Europe has maybe 5-10 years left before that happens. There may be a further delay because of the simple fact that European mistreatment of the poor is still a lot better treatment than islamic nations' treatment of the middle class and the rich. So the immediate immigrants are actually quite content to be abused. Their children, however, are not.
China is in a pickle. They need, absolutely need, a lot of population growth to avoid disaster, but in absolute numbers everything they built is filled to the brim. They are trying to use the "one child policy" to spread out the population by relaxing it for ethnic Chinese in the outer regions, like Xinjang or Tibet. So if you are Chinese and want kids, if you move there and get a job there (Chinese control most businesses and employers are at least somewhat racist, so it's not impossibly hard), the government will let you do that, up to 5 kids in some places. The purpose is, of course, slow ethnic cleansing, but given that it's China, the UN will never even mention it.
- SavvyGuard 12y agoYou are just completely wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Current_status http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Current_status Rural Han Chinese can have up to 2 children. Minorities can have up to 4 in rural areas. Tibetans are unlimited. You need to retract your comment. Everything in your last paragraph is false and brings question to everything you've written.
- zhihonglin 12y ago"the government will let you do that, up to 5 kids in some places." This is not true, actually if you are Han people, no matter where you move to (within China), you still can only have one child unless you married to "ethnic minority" who no need to follow "one child policy".
- antientropic 12y agoI call [citation needed] on your EU demographics. The EU has not been "stuck in a massive population drop rate": the EU population actually grew by 3.7% between 2002 and 2001, with only 6.3% born outside of the EU. And Eurostat forecasts the population to grow very modestly between now and 2060. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union#Demographic_future http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Un...) Of course, those predictions don't mean all that much, since "demography is destiny" only in retrospect: growth trends can and do change. (E.g. the French birth rate has gone up in recent years.) To be honest, I think you may have read too much Mark Steyn. There is little cause for demographic apocalyptics, including the tired "Muslims are going to revolt/take over" kind. In fact, a flat or slightly declining population is probably a blessing (e.g. from an environmental perspective).
- tormeh 12y agoThe oroblem with non-whites not quite fitting in is real, though, and much worse than in the US. Besides color, muslims are pretty hard to assimilate, so there will be not only color-based racism but also cultural ethnocentrism. Imagine you have the problems of economic class and then add another dimension of cultural class. Society becomes much more fragmented. The new dimension is not really worse than economic class, but class alone is already unpleasant. It will turn out all right, I guess, but there will be minor persistent problems for a long time.