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Firefox OS will be dead on arrival. No apps, no OEMs on board, no innovation, HTML platform which is highly questionable and a typical developer-oriented ecosph

Firefox OS will be dead on arrival. No apps, no OEMs on board, no innovation, HTML platform which is highly questionable and a typical developer-oriented ecosphere instead of beung user-centric. It's nice they are trying but it's a desperate attempt to grow Mozilla beyond a company which is known for its browser. With Google Chrome becoming the de-facto web browser, Firefox hastily attempting to mirror it yet loosing market share by the day, Mozilla its future doesn't look bright. At all.

pearjuice 12y ago
Firefox OS supporters, please stop down voting me and instead post reasons why I am wrong. What other intent can I gain from this than believe that Firefox OS fans are delusional and fail to receive criticism? If you need to down vote me so badly and cannot provide any arguments against my statement whatsoever, you only strengthen my case.
- asadotzler 12y ago
  I didn't down vote you. I can see why people would though. For one, you're pretty far off topic. This post is about a specific Firefox OS developer device and you're speculating about Mozilla's motivations and achievements (or lack thereof.)
  - wcfields 12y ago
    If not here, then where? I, myself, have all the hopes in the world for another open-source mobile ecosystem but all I've seen come out of "the project" is several burner phones and devs on HN complaining about the whole thing. I haven't seen anyone cheering for joy at anything beyond the extensional concept.
fabrice_d 12y ago
So you want more than downvotes. 1) No apps: there are a few millions websites that you can use on this OS. The truth is that we still need better discovery, but there's a lot of content out there. 2) No OEMs. Sure... zte, tcl, LG, geeksphone, spreadtrum odms for now. 3) No innovation. What do you call innovation? We'll have webrtc based video calls in 2.0, and we've been pushing a lot of new apis in the web platform. What is windows phone innovation? 4) Developer ecosphere? Well, we have to get them onboard right? We are also doing a lot of reach out to users through community efforts and more classic marketing including some with partners. Sure it's a bet, and a hard one given how the mobile ecosystem works. But we are doing well so far (I'm waiting for your comments on ubuntu / tizen / jolla that are competing with us). I remember that when we started 2 years ago, people were just ignoring us ("no way they can make it"). Then they started to laugh at us ("their stuff is not good"). I'm happy to see some fighting us now (and not just ignoring us) because it means that we'll reach the 4th stage, where we win. Yay! It's always amazing how people can be critical of anything Mozilla does, or doesn't.
- orkoden 12y ago
  > there are a few millions websites that you can use on this OS Which will not work if your internet connection is slow or offline. I tried Firefox OS and it is horrible. The web apps are a joke.

pearjuice 12y ago

Firefox OS supporters, please stop down voting me and instead post reasons why I am wrong. What other intent can I gain from this than believe that Firefox OS fans are delusional and fail to receive criticism? If you need to down vote me so badly and cannot provide any arguments against my statement whatsoever, you only strengthen my case.

asadotzler 12y ago
I didn't down vote you. I can see why people would though. For one, you're pretty far off topic. This post is about a specific Firefox OS developer device and you're speculating about Mozilla's motivations and achievements (or lack thereof.)
- wcfields 12y ago
  If not here, then where? I, myself, have all the hopes in the world for another open-source mobile ecosystem but all I've seen come out of "the project" is several burner phones and devs on HN complaining about the whole thing. I haven't seen anyone cheering for joy at anything beyond the extensional concept.

fabrice_d 12y ago

So you want more than downvotes. 1) No apps: there are a few millions websites that you can use on this OS. The truth is that we still need better discovery, but there's a lot of content out there. 2) No OEMs. Sure... zte, tcl, LG, geeksphone, spreadtrum odms for now. 3) No innovation. What do you call innovation? We'll have webrtc based video calls in 2.0, and we've been pushing a lot of new apis in the web platform. What is windows phone innovation? 4) Developer ecosphere? Well, we have to get them onboard right? We are also doing a lot of reach out to users through community efforts and more classic marketing including some with partners. Sure it's a bet, and a hard one given how the mobile ecosystem works. But we are doing well so far (I'm waiting for your comments on ubuntu / tizen / jolla that are competing with us). I remember that when we started 2 years ago, people were just ignoring us ("no way they can make it"). Then they started to laugh at us ("their stuff is not good"). I'm happy to see some fighting us now (and not just ignoring us) because it means that we'll reach the 4th stage, where we win. Yay! It's always amazing how people can be critical of anything Mozilla does, or doesn't.

orkoden 12y ago
> there are a few millions websites that you can use on this OS Which will not work if your internet connection is slow or offline. I tried Firefox OS and it is horrible. The web apps are a joke.