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I use Debian, and python 3 is one "apt-get install python3" away. Ubuntu probably includes the same packages in its repos. SuSE and Fedora are in the same boat

I use Debian, and python 3 is one "apt-get install python3" away. Ubuntu probably includes the same packages in its repos. SuSE and Fedora are in the same boat (python3 in repos). Arch and Gentoo obviously package python 3. Redhat really is the black sheep here. There is no reason for the assertion that no major distro has more than a half baked python 3 alternative. It is not really important if it is the default python or not. Python 3 is no less available than ruby or nodejs or any of the other contenders presented in this thread.

dragonwriter 12y ago
> Ubuntu probably includes the same packages in its repos. Ubuntu not only includes python3 in the base repos, I'm pretty sure its on the CD and used by some core packages now -- the conversion project that is ongoing but not yet complete is to completely eliminate python2 from the base install, which is not yet complete.
- octopus 12y ago
  Do you really think Ubuntu will destabilize their current LTS release by switching to Python3 and removing Python2 ? I don't know what Canonical will do for the next LTS release, but for the near future (read like 4 years) Python3 will not be a first class citizen in the Ubuntu world.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > Do you really think Ubuntu will destabilize their current LTS release by switching to Python3 and removing Python2 ? I think you are confusing several different things: 1) "switching to Python 3" -- if by this you mean making /usr/bin/python point to python 3, that will never happen on Ubuntu (and probably most other distros that aren't Arch.) They've stated that even when everything that relies on python is moved to python 3, they will follow PEP-349 and keep python 3 at /usr/bin/python3. /usr/bin/python will only exist when python2 is installed and will always be python 2. 2) "removing Python 2" -- obviously, they won't retroactively do this to an existing LTS release. It'll probably be first done in a regular release between now and the next LTS release (it was targetted for this LTS release, but not everything was ported, so currently both python 2 and python 3 are used.) 3) Making Python 3 a "first class citizen in the Ubuntu world" -- it already is.
octopus 12y ago
Actually it is important which one is the default, most users will use what comes with the base install and this will slow the Python3 adoption at least for a few years.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> Ubuntu probably includes the same packages in its repos. Ubuntu not only includes python3 in the base repos, I'm pretty sure its on the CD and used by some core packages now -- the conversion project that is ongoing but not yet complete is to completely eliminate python2 from the base install, which is not yet complete.

octopus 12y ago
Do you really think Ubuntu will destabilize their current LTS release by switching to Python3 and removing Python2 ? I don't know what Canonical will do for the next LTS release, but for the near future (read like 4 years) Python3 will not be a first class citizen in the Ubuntu world.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Do you really think Ubuntu will destabilize their current LTS release by switching to Python3 and removing Python2 ? I think you are confusing several different things: 1) "switching to Python 3" -- if by this you mean making /usr/bin/python point to python 3, that will never happen on Ubuntu (and probably most other distros that aren't Arch.) They've stated that even when everything that relies on python is moved to python 3, they will follow PEP-349 and keep python 3 at /usr/bin/python3. /usr/bin/python will only exist when python2 is installed and will always be python 2. 2) "removing Python 2" -- obviously, they won't retroactively do this to an existing LTS release. It'll probably be first done in a regular release between now and the next LTS release (it was targetted for this LTS release, but not everything was ported, so currently both python 2 and python 3 are used.) 3) Making Python 3 a "first class citizen in the Ubuntu world" -- it already is.

octopus 12y ago

Actually it is important which one is the default, most users will use what comes with the base install and this will slow the Python3 adoption at least for a few years.