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> 'subroutine signatures' is such a basic and expected feature that it isn't even named in other languages. People just assume "it has to be there"... That is

> 'subroutine signatures' is such a basic and expected feature that it isn't even named in other languages. People just assume "it has to be there"... That is an understandable, yet still naive statement. In the implementation of signatures one has to make MANY decisions concerning the trade-offs of syntax, available features and performance impacts of signatures. The discussions about what was needed and wanted for those experimental signatures were massive and in no way trivial. Further, asking a PHP person to evaluate another language is often fruitless, as their lifelihood is usually closely tied to that language; and they are largely unaware of the systemic ailments plagueing PHP, thus unable to draw a useful comparison.

valleyer 12y ago
Wow, what happened between paragraphs 1 and 2? You went from making a good point to insulting a whole class of people. I’m no fan of PHP, but I could hardly bring myself to insult everyone who uses it...
- Mithaldu 12y ago
  Simply put, i've been in this business since 2001, have done 3 years of PHP myself, and have never met a PHP programmer who liked PHP and wasn't an exact fit of the description i gave. For a time there even was a PHP developer who i thought was very good, but that judgement turned out to be borne of my ignorance when that person turned out to be unwilling and uncapable to consider the advantages of automated testing. Some people might not like to hear this, but over a decade of experience has convinced me that this is sad and simple fact. The post i was responding to tried to use the reactions of a PHP programmer to make a factual statement about Perl without even attempting to consider the possibility that said programmer might be both not experienced enough, and inherently unwilling to accept Perl as even being good. I was not aiming to insult, though some might certainly feel offended, but explain why the poster above failed to make a useful point.

valleyer 12y ago

Wow, what happened between paragraphs 1 and 2? You went from making a good point to insulting a whole class of people. I’m no fan of PHP, but I could hardly bring myself to insult everyone who uses it...

Mithaldu 12y ago
Simply put, i've been in this business since 2001, have done 3 years of PHP myself, and have never met a PHP programmer who liked PHP and wasn't an exact fit of the description i gave. For a time there even was a PHP developer who i thought was very good, but that judgement turned out to be borne of my ignorance when that person turned out to be unwilling and uncapable to consider the advantages of automated testing. Some people might not like to hear this, but over a decade of experience has convinced me that this is sad and simple fact. The post i was responding to tried to use the reactions of a PHP programmer to make a factual statement about Perl without even attempting to consider the possibility that said programmer might be both not experienced enough, and inherently unwilling to accept Perl as even being good. I was not aiming to insult, though some might certainly feel offended, but explain why the poster above failed to make a useful point.