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The biggest problem with python 3 as i see it is that it seems to cause people to air grand opinions unencumbered by any actual data. I have seen neither evide

The biggest problem with python 3 as i see it is that it seems to cause people to air grand opinions unencumbered by any actual data. I have seen neither evidence that python is "dieing" in any way, nor that people are dropping it because it lacks radical new feature X. Things may be more competitive now but I don't see any stagnation in the community - and that's always been one of python's strongest points.

coldtea 12y ago
>I have seen neither evidence that python is "dieing" in any way Yeah. I'm sure there weren't that kind of hard numeric evidence about Perl dying either. Perhaps, you know, what languages are getting adoption and which might be lossing traction is more of a "sensing the buzz" and following community discussions affair, than some statistic bureau giving hard counts. >nor that people are dropping it because it lacks radical new feature X Well, I'd say people EXPLICITLY posting "our team left Python because of it's bad concurrency story and went with Go" is evidence of people "dropping it because it lacks radical new feature X". And we've seen a few of such posts in the past year. Also a couple high profile Python devs migrate to languages such as Go.
- mangecoeur 12y ago
  Anecdotes are not evidence. I'm sure that for every post about someone switching to Go from python, you find a post of someone switching to python from something else. Not to mention all the people who are just getting on fine and don't feel the need to tell everyone about it. One blog post does not a trend make. Some things that do make trends: Python stable in top 10 in TIOBE index: check Python increasingly popular topic on StackOverflow: check Python jobs in popular demand: check Python community is active and lively: check Python used in large scale deployments: check ... and so on. I'm not saying they can just rest on their laurels, but to claim python is in crises is just bull. People are well aware of the issues and difficulties of updating to new versions, PEPs are written, improvements discussed, etc - the ability to respond to new challenges is key to the survival of a community, and python has had this built into its development process since forever.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    >Anecdotes are not evidence Actually they very much are. Anecdotes such as what we have, real and verifiable posts "our company switched to Go", are very much evidence of people switching to Go. Finding the mangitude of that is up to us -- there are no hard numbers available. But if you care about this, you have to gauge it from what information you have. Oh, and in certain fields, like what's the next big thing in pop, fashion, etc -- and I'd argue: programming language, you don't have hard data (until it's too late). You have anecdptes and people murmuring stuff here and there, and you have to figure it out yourself.

coldtea 12y ago

>I have seen neither evidence that python is "dieing" in any way Yeah. I'm sure there weren't that kind of hard numeric evidence about Perl dying either. Perhaps, you know, what languages are getting adoption and which might be lossing traction is more of a "sensing the buzz" and following community discussions affair, than some statistic bureau giving hard counts. >nor that people are dropping it because it lacks radical new feature X Well, I'd say people EXPLICITLY posting "our team left Python because of it's bad concurrency story and went with Go" is evidence of people "dropping it because it lacks radical new feature X". And we've seen a few of such posts in the past year. Also a couple high profile Python devs migrate to languages such as Go.

mangecoeur 12y ago
Anecdotes are not evidence. I'm sure that for every post about someone switching to Go from python, you find a post of someone switching to python from something else. Not to mention all the people who are just getting on fine and don't feel the need to tell everyone about it. One blog post does not a trend make. Some things that do make trends: Python stable in top 10 in TIOBE index: check Python increasingly popular topic on StackOverflow: check Python jobs in popular demand: check Python community is active and lively: check Python used in large scale deployments: check ... and so on. I'm not saying they can just rest on their laurels, but to claim python is in crises is just bull. People are well aware of the issues and difficulties of updating to new versions, PEPs are written, improvements discussed, etc - the ability to respond to new challenges is key to the survival of a community, and python has had this built into its development process since forever.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >Anecdotes are not evidence Actually they very much are. Anecdotes such as what we have, real and verifiable posts "our company switched to Go", are very much evidence of people switching to Go. Finding the mangitude of that is up to us -- there are no hard numbers available. But if you care about this, you have to gauge it from what information you have. Oh, and in certain fields, like what's the next big thing in pop, fashion, etc -- and I'd argue: programming language, you don't have hard data (until it's too late). You have anecdptes and people murmuring stuff here and there, and you have to figure it out yourself.