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Classic racism. Is rap really more misogynistic than rock? Or is it perceived as such for obvious reasons.

gopher1 12y ago
Yes, it is more misogynistic than rock.
k-mcgrady 12y ago
Where does zenbowman mention race? His comment had nothing to do with it. Your assumption that rappers are all of one race and that it is perceived as misoginistic 'for obvious reasons' on other hand scream racist.
- erikpukinskis 12y ago
  Rap very obviously was created by and is to this day dominated by black people. Saying so is not racist. And zenbowman's comment can be racist without mentioning race. I might be upset because the U.S. has a black president, and say "our political system has gone to hell!" and that would be a racist statement even if I didn't explicitly spell out that my reason for thinking so was the existence of a black president.
TillE 12y ago
Popular rock could be crude (on a level with "Baby Got Back" or whatever), but it was rarely degrading in the way that a whole lot of rap is. I don't think that's an inherent quality of the genre, though. But it is a fact of many of the popular artists.
middleclick 12y ago
I really don't think this has anything to do with racism. There are rappers from every race probably. Rap is misogynistic, no doubt. Sure it has some positive sides to it (protest) but most rap today is not about that.
001sky 12y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture Topic has its own wikipedia entry...with 71 footnotes. Edit: Sample Misogyny is prevalent in hip hop culture.[38] Overt misogyny in rap music emerged in the late 1980s, and has since then been a feature of the music of numerous hip hop artists.[2] A survey of adolescents showed that 66% of black girls and 57% of black boys believe that rap music videos portray black women in "bad and offensive ways".[39] Gangsta rap, the most commercially successful subgenre of hip hop,[40] has been particularly criticized and associated with misogyny.[7][41] Even if this subject was "simply debatable", there is at least a prima-facie case that it should not be disissed out of hand. Nor in such a careless manner.
Pxtl 12y ago
Okay, I think the grandparent post was a little off-base trying to lay blame at rap music, but I think he's talking about the pure surface-level content of the lyrics. I mean, the rock music scene has problems with treatment of women - both in the fandom and the bands themselves - and if you start going back to the heydey of rock music you find utterly horrifying actions, but if you're talking about pure lyrical content? It's hard to say that any genre comes close to the proliferation of mysogyny in mainstream hip-hop.
zenbowman 12y ago
Yes, yes it is. There's simply no comparison. http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the fuck out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run." This is pretty tame by today's rap standards where rape and violence are glorified. Don't excuse the violence by claiming that it is racist to point out the obvious truth. For the record, Afrocentric rap is much less misogynistic than gangsta rap, which is relatively race-neutral.

Yes, it is more misogynistic than rock.

Where does zenbowman mention race? His comment had nothing to do with it. Your assumption that rappers are all of one race and that it is perceived as misoginistic 'for obvious reasons' on other hand scream racist.

erikpukinskis 12y ago
Rap very obviously was created by and is to this day dominated by black people. Saying so is not racist. And zenbowman's comment can be racist without mentioning race. I might be upset because the U.S. has a black president, and say "our political system has gone to hell!" and that would be a racist statement even if I didn't explicitly spell out that my reason for thinking so was the existence of a black president.

TillE 12y ago

Popular rock could be crude (on a level with "Baby Got Back" or whatever), but it was rarely degrading in the way that a whole lot of rap is. I don't think that's an inherent quality of the genre, though. But it is a fact of many of the popular artists.

middleclick 12y ago

I really don't think this has anything to do with racism. There are rappers from every race probably. Rap is misogynistic, no doubt. Sure it has some positive sides to it (protest) but most rap today is not about that.

001sky 12y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture Topic has its own wikipedia entry...with 71 footnotes. Edit: Sample Misogyny is prevalent in hip hop culture.[38] Overt misogyny in rap music emerged in the late 1980s, and has since then been a feature of the music of numerous hip hop artists.[2] A survey of adolescents showed that 66% of black girls and 57% of black boys believe that rap music videos portray black women in "bad and offensive ways".[39] Gangsta rap, the most commercially successful subgenre of hip hop,[40] has been particularly criticized and associated with misogyny.[7][41] Even if this subject was "simply debatable", there is at least a prima-facie case that it should not be disissed out of hand. Nor in such a careless manner.

Pxtl 12y ago

Okay, I think the grandparent post was a little off-base trying to lay blame at rap music, but I think he's talking about the pure surface-level content of the lyrics. I mean, the rock music scene has problems with treatment of women - both in the fandom and the bands themselves - and if you start going back to the heydey of rock music you find utterly horrifying actions, but if you're talking about pure lyrical content? It's hard to say that any genre comes close to the proliferation of mysogyny in mainstream hip-hop.

zenbowman 12y ago

Yes, yes it is. There's simply no comparison. http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the fuck out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run." This is pretty tame by today's rap standards where rape and violence are glorified. Don't excuse the violence by claiming that it is racist to point out the obvious truth. For the record, Afrocentric rap is much less misogynistic than gangsta rap, which is relatively race-neutral.