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Rap is the most misogynistic genre in the history of music, it is not surprising at all that a rap enthusiast would share the views of the artists whose music h

Rap is the most misogynistic genre in the history of music, it is not surprising at all that a rap enthusiast would share the views of the artists whose music he listens to.

kungfooguru 12y ago
Classic racism. Is rap really more misogynistic than rock? Or is it perceived as such for obvious reasons.
- gopher1 12y ago
  Yes, it is more misogynistic than rock.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  Where does zenbowman mention race? His comment had nothing to do with it. Your assumption that rappers are all of one race and that it is perceived as misoginistic 'for obvious reasons' on other hand scream racist.
  - erikpukinskis 12y ago
    Rap very obviously was created by and is to this day dominated by black people. Saying so is not racist. And zenbowman's comment can be racist without mentioning race. I might be upset because the U.S. has a black president, and say "our political system has gone to hell!" and that would be a racist statement even if I didn't explicitly spell out that my reason for thinking so was the existence of a black president.
- TillE 12y ago
  Popular rock could be crude (on a level with "Baby Got Back" or whatever), but it was rarely degrading in the way that a whole lot of rap is. I don't think that's an inherent quality of the genre, though. But it is a fact of many of the popular artists.
- middleclick 12y ago
  I really don't think this has anything to do with racism. There are rappers from every race probably. Rap is misogynistic, no doubt. Sure it has some positive sides to it (protest) but most rap today is not about that.
- 001sky 12y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture Topic has its own wikipedia entry...with 71 footnotes. Edit: Sample Misogyny is prevalent in hip hop culture.[38] Overt misogyny in rap music emerged in the late 1980s, and has since then been a feature of the music of numerous hip hop artists.[2] A survey of adolescents showed that 66% of black girls and 57% of black boys believe that rap music videos portray black women in "bad and offensive ways".[39] Gangsta rap, the most commercially successful subgenre of hip hop,[40] has been particularly criticized and associated with misogyny.[7][41] Even if this subject was "simply debatable", there is at least a prima-facie case that it should not be disissed out of hand. Nor in such a careless manner.
- Pxtl 12y ago
  Okay, I think the grandparent post was a little off-base trying to lay blame at rap music, but I think he's talking about the pure surface-level content of the lyrics. I mean, the rock music scene has problems with treatment of women - both in the fandom and the bands themselves - and if you start going back to the heydey of rock music you find utterly horrifying actions, but if you're talking about pure lyrical content? It's hard to say that any genre comes close to the proliferation of mysogyny in mainstream hip-hop.
- zenbowman 12y ago
  Yes, yes it is. There's simply no comparison. http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the fuck out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run." This is pretty tame by today's rap standards where rape and violence are glorified. Don't excuse the violence by claiming that it is racist to point out the obvious truth. For the record, Afrocentric rap is much less misogynistic than gangsta rap, which is relatively race-neutral.
jonnybgood 12y ago
No, not really. Saying rap is misogynistic is an overgeneralization. It really depends on the subgenre which rap has many of. In the case of misogyny, it's primarily contained within the small gangsta rap subgenre, which has almost completely died out.
- onewaystreet 12y ago
  The "Gangsta rap" subgenre was heavily misogynistic, but as you say, it has completely died out. Most rap these days is about how rich the rapper is (Jay Z) or about racism (Kanye).
- YTowOnt9 12y ago
  NOT ALL RAP
  - Recoil42 12y ago
    YES ALL INDIE POP
- kyro 12y ago
  Partially agree, but you still have rap/hip-hop club-bangers with misogynistic undertones that hit the mainstream every so often by the likes of Weezy, Lil' John, Flo' Rida, A$AP, Snoop, etc.
- mjolk 12y ago
  Eminem has "songs" about literally kidnapping and murdering women. Lil Wayne and Drake have a song called "Bitches Love me." Misogyny in rap isn't "primarily contained" within a subgenre of the past.
- cmelbye 12y ago
  Almost completely died out? Have you heard Kanye's new album?
  - sehr 12y ago
    Yeezus is nowhere even near early 2000's gangsta rap, sonically or lyrically. Compare this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0zKB88XPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0zKB88XPM To this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--824JnSx7U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--824JnSx7U
lotsofmangos 12y ago
Orchestral music over the years has probably been worse. There are plenty of celebrated female rappers, whereas Last Night Of The Proms had their first ever female conductor only last year and they've been going since 1895.
- morbius 12y ago
  There's a world of difference between patriarchy and misogyny.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    As far as I can tell the main difference between a patriarch and a misogynist, is that with a patriarch the women haven't successfully rebelled yet.
    - morbius 12y ago
      Patriarchy is a system wherein women are not predominant. Misogyny is a system wherein women are subject to mistreatment. Note that I am not advocating either system, and am an ardent feminist.
      - lotsofmangos 12y ago
        Misogyny isn't a system and patriarchies don't persist for long without misogyny, for fairly obvious reasons.
        zenbowman 12y ago
        I don't believe that is accurate. There are plenty of patriarchal societies where women have high status and are not subject to mistreatment or violence, but no political or economic control.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
pizza 12y ago
cite the source
aliakbarkhan 12y ago
http://misogynisticlyricsthatarentrap.tumblr.com/ http://misogynisticlyricsthatarentrap.tumblr.com/
- Crito 12y ago
  Since he was not claiming that only rap contains misogynistic lyrics, I am not sure what your point is.

Rap is the most misogynistic genre in the history of music, it is not surprising at all that a rap enthusiast would share the views of the artists whose music he listens to.

kungfooguru 12y ago

Classic racism. Is rap really more misogynistic than rock? Or is it perceived as such for obvious reasons.

gopher1 12y ago
Yes, it is more misogynistic than rock.
k-mcgrady 12y ago
Where does zenbowman mention race? His comment had nothing to do with it. Your assumption that rappers are all of one race and that it is perceived as misoginistic 'for obvious reasons' on other hand scream racist.
- erikpukinskis 12y ago
  Rap very obviously was created by and is to this day dominated by black people. Saying so is not racist. And zenbowman's comment can be racist without mentioning race. I might be upset because the U.S. has a black president, and say "our political system has gone to hell!" and that would be a racist statement even if I didn't explicitly spell out that my reason for thinking so was the existence of a black president.
TillE 12y ago
Popular rock could be crude (on a level with "Baby Got Back" or whatever), but it was rarely degrading in the way that a whole lot of rap is. I don't think that's an inherent quality of the genre, though. But it is a fact of many of the popular artists.
middleclick 12y ago
I really don't think this has anything to do with racism. There are rappers from every race probably. Rap is misogynistic, no doubt. Sure it has some positive sides to it (protest) but most rap today is not about that.
001sky 12y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture Topic has its own wikipedia entry...with 71 footnotes. Edit: Sample Misogyny is prevalent in hip hop culture.[38] Overt misogyny in rap music emerged in the late 1980s, and has since then been a feature of the music of numerous hip hop artists.[2] A survey of adolescents showed that 66% of black girls and 57% of black boys believe that rap music videos portray black women in "bad and offensive ways".[39] Gangsta rap, the most commercially successful subgenre of hip hop,[40] has been particularly criticized and associated with misogyny.[7][41] Even if this subject was "simply debatable", there is at least a prima-facie case that it should not be disissed out of hand. Nor in such a careless manner.
Pxtl 12y ago
Okay, I think the grandparent post was a little off-base trying to lay blame at rap music, but I think he's talking about the pure surface-level content of the lyrics. I mean, the rock music scene has problems with treatment of women - both in the fandom and the bands themselves - and if you start going back to the heydey of rock music you find utterly horrifying actions, but if you're talking about pure lyrical content? It's hard to say that any genre comes close to the proliferation of mysogyny in mainstream hip-hop.
zenbowman 12y ago
Yes, yes it is. There's simply no comparison. http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics http://rapgenius.com/Dr-dre-bitches-aint-shit-lyrics "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the fuck out after you're done / And I hops in my ride to make a quick run." This is pretty tame by today's rap standards where rape and violence are glorified. Don't excuse the violence by claiming that it is racist to point out the obvious truth. For the record, Afrocentric rap is much less misogynistic than gangsta rap, which is relatively race-neutral.

jonnybgood 12y ago

No, not really. Saying rap is misogynistic is an overgeneralization. It really depends on the subgenre which rap has many of. In the case of misogyny, it's primarily contained within the small gangsta rap subgenre, which has almost completely died out.

onewaystreet 12y ago
The "Gangsta rap" subgenre was heavily misogynistic, but as you say, it has completely died out. Most rap these days is about how rich the rapper is (Jay Z) or about racism (Kanye).
YTowOnt9 12y ago
NOT ALL RAP
- Recoil42 12y ago
  YES ALL INDIE POP
kyro 12y ago
Partially agree, but you still have rap/hip-hop club-bangers with misogynistic undertones that hit the mainstream every so often by the likes of Weezy, Lil' John, Flo' Rida, A$AP, Snoop, etc.
mjolk 12y ago
Eminem has "songs" about literally kidnapping and murdering women. Lil Wayne and Drake have a song called "Bitches Love me." Misogyny in rap isn't "primarily contained" within a subgenre of the past.
cmelbye 12y ago
Almost completely died out? Have you heard Kanye's new album?
- sehr 12y ago
  Yeezus is nowhere even near early 2000's gangsta rap, sonically or lyrically. Compare this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0zKB88XPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0zKB88XPM To this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--824JnSx7U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--824JnSx7U

lotsofmangos 12y ago

Orchestral music over the years has probably been worse. There are plenty of celebrated female rappers, whereas Last Night Of The Proms had their first ever female conductor only last year and they've been going since 1895.

morbius 12y ago
There's a world of difference between patriarchy and misogyny.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  As far as I can tell the main difference between a patriarch and a misogynist, is that with a patriarch the women haven't successfully rebelled yet.
  - morbius 12y ago
    Patriarchy is a system wherein women are not predominant. Misogyny is a system wherein women are subject to mistreatment. Note that I am not advocating either system, and am an ardent feminist.
    - lotsofmangos 12y ago
      Misogyny isn't a system and patriarchies don't persist for long without misogyny, for fairly obvious reasons.
      - zenbowman 12y ago
        I don't believe that is accurate. There are plenty of patriarchal societies where women have high status and are not subject to mistreatment or violence, but no political or economic control.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago

pizza 12y ago

cite the source

aliakbarkhan 12y ago

http://misogynisticlyricsthatarentrap.tumblr.com/ http://misogynisticlyricsthatarentrap.tumblr.com/

Crito 12y ago
Since he was not claiming that only rap contains misogynistic lyrics, I am not sure what your point is.