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"many advancements in what we can do with Javascript and HTML" Please don't be closed minded about only using to languages because the "open" web won't let you

"many advancements in what we can do with Javascript and HTML" Please don't be closed minded about only using to languages because the "open" web won't let you use anything else (no transpilation crap please). "The web is open" It is not open in every sense. It is locked to a few languages and technologies: JS, HTML, CSS. Where can I vote for standardizing a proper intuitive grid control instead of CrapGL and crapvas? "Why would we continue to have to have specialized developers working on ports of the same application for every different platform?" To have a chance to work with languages that don't suck. Business could have a different view though. "Imagine if all the new iOS features were available to javascript" All I see is a potential sad future where you are forced to use one crappy script language for most career paths in IT.

collyw 12y ago
>To have a chance to work with languages that don't suck. Yeah, but developing in Java for Android isn't exactly the coolest language. And I have heard second hand that objective-c isn't to great either.
- cliveowen 12y ago
  I sincerely hope Google will officially support Go in future, that would really make the difference. Having to use Java and Eclipse is one of the reasons many mobile developers go the iOS route.
- _random_ 12y ago
  Can't you use Scala/Clojure for Android development? You can certainly use C# to develop natively-compiled apps for iOS.
davidhariri 12y ago
I see your point, my own biases are present in some of those remarks. I do see javascript as a very powerful and easily learned language that would support an open web future well, but I also recognize that the likelihood that it would be javascript forever is small. One small point, though. Just by opening this debate and the two of us discussing this, we are contributing towards a future where we decide what gets adopted into browsers. Debate is something that is seriously lacking in closed source communities as the developers remarks too often fall on deaf ears. The people who decide what technologies to support in the open web are members of sites like these and are required to believe in open discourse.
- _random_ 12y ago
  I surely hope so. I don't hate JavaScript as much as I hate it being pushed as a default that is OK for everyone and everything.
zenbowman 12y ago
Exactly. Programming is about exploiting the machine you are on. Write-once run-everywhere is great for corporate shops, but leads to the crucifixion of creativity and the abandoning of experimentation. I'd much rather have diversity in programming environments than the monopoly of Javascript.

collyw 12y ago

>To have a chance to work with languages that don't suck. Yeah, but developing in Java for Android isn't exactly the coolest language. And I have heard second hand that objective-c isn't to great either.

cliveowen 12y ago
I sincerely hope Google will officially support Go in future, that would really make the difference. Having to use Java and Eclipse is one of the reasons many mobile developers go the iOS route.
_random_ 12y ago
Can't you use Scala/Clojure for Android development? You can certainly use C# to develop natively-compiled apps for iOS.

davidhariri 12y ago

I see your point, my own biases are present in some of those remarks. I do see javascript as a very powerful and easily learned language that would support an open web future well, but I also recognize that the likelihood that it would be javascript forever is small. One small point, though. Just by opening this debate and the two of us discussing this, we are contributing towards a future where we decide what gets adopted into browsers. Debate is something that is seriously lacking in closed source communities as the developers remarks too often fall on deaf ears. The people who decide what technologies to support in the open web are members of sites like these and are required to believe in open discourse.

_random_ 12y ago
I surely hope so. I don't hate JavaScript as much as I hate it being pushed as a default that is OK for everyone and everything.

zenbowman 12y ago

Exactly. Programming is about exploiting the machine you are on. Write-once run-everywhere is great for corporate shops, but leads to the crucifixion of creativity and the abandoning of experimentation. I'd much rather have diversity in programming environments than the monopoly of Javascript.