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I think outrage at this is a little unjustified. Monitoring user interaction is how you get data to effectively improve your platform. In the case of schools, t
by Jormundir 12y ago
I think outrage at this is a little unjustified. Monitoring user interaction is how you get data to effectively improve your platform. In the case of schools, they should be monitoring student interaction in order to gain insights in how to improve their system, just as any website does. How are we supposed to improve the education system if getting quantitative data is outrageous?
If you're outraged at this software are you also outraged at all of the awesome new developments in ed tech to create self-paced curriculums? Those involve plenty of monitoring as well.
When I went through the education system, I was seen as a genius in elementary school. I scored in the 99th percentile in math on the standardized tests, and participated in the advanced math tracks two years early. I was on track to be very successful. Then middle school came along.
First half of sixth grade, I continued my performance from elementary school, doing extremely well. Then I started with the destructive questions I'm sure a lot of HNers are familiar with: "Why do I need to learn this?", "Am I ever going to use this in real life?". This is when the grades started tanking, and I basically didn't participate in my education. I didn't recover from this terrible attitude until I entered college.
I never really established any study habits, and it's something that still weighs me down now, graduated from college and in the workforce. To relate to the story, I wish these sorts of programs were available when I was a student. I wish I was graded on my study habits even in elementary school.
I don't really understand the defense of cramming. The goal of school is not to pass all of the tests with high scores, the goal of school is to establish strong habits that will optimize your education and your effectiveness in your future profession.
I think the best way to help our kids develop these skills is going to be through lots of monitoring. It's certainly good to question the effectiveness of monitoring, and what it's encouraging, so I respect that sentiment of the other posters, but really? Outrage?
Lets encourage our school system to try new things, measure the effectiveness, and readjust based on data. I would really love to steer this debate away from whining about being free to choose less effective study techniques and monitoring. Monitoring is essential to providing adjustments on a per-student basis, allowing highly customizable content for the most efficient education.
Edit: I guess I should have known better than to make a dissenting comment on this type of article.
- DanBC 12y ago(I didn't downvote you) Children are being ised as experiments for privacy violating new technology. Some of this is less acceptable than others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometrics_in_schools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometrics_in_schools http://www.wired.com/2011/06/webcam-scandal-resurfaces/ http://www.wired.com/2011/06/webcam-scandal-resurfaces/
- Jormundir 12y agoYes, I see this side of it. It's certainly important to question the uses and effectiveness of techniques - monitoring or otherwise. My problem with the narrative of the comments in this thread is that they seem to be paranoid, and they have tunnel vision about CourseSmart, while making claims that will rule out all of the effective new ed tech platforms coming out. Just look at something like Newton, they monitor your performance like crazy, but they do it in order to make your personal curriculum much more effective for you. Getting outraged about monitoring doesn't even really make sense. We monitor everything these days as an effective way to improve our products, now when a school does it some huge line is crossed? Don't you want our education system to improve? Shouldn't they be trying to improve in the same effective way we improve websites? You monitor user interaction and make adjustments based on that data.
- couchand 12y agoUser interaction is monitored (almost always relatively anonymously) to discover the ways a website can more closely align with users' mental models. The individual monitoring here seems to be done to discover failings in the user, rather than failings in the delivery. That's a significantly bigger intrusion.
- gress 12y agoYour argument seems to be twofold: 1. Because there is already a lot of monitoring, there is no need to be concerned about adding more, even of people who have no power to opt out of it. 2. Effectiveness at achieving the stated goals is everything, regardless of the side effects.
- 12y ago