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Do you have a link for these numbers?

by illumen 12y ago

the_mitsuhiko 12y ago
I tweeted about this a while ago, I don't have the numbers at hand. Unfortunately to get those numbers you need to nudge the pypi maintainer as the data dump is too large to keep in a database without wasting money. As such if I would want to run the report again I would need to import multi gigabytes of logs again which takes time.
- kaeawc 12y ago
  I'll take your word for it then ^_^
- illumen 12y ago
  Currently python 3 packages ported are at about 10.9% according to pypi. This isn't including separate source downloads, so I guess the number would be higher by a few percentage points. There was a post by Alex Gaynor in January [0] about downloads for python 3 being at 2.4%. But that was before python 3.4 came out, and before some major libraries were finally ported like Twisted. Twisted not being ported was one of the main blockers for python 3 in the last Ubuntu release [1]. Once more distros improve their python 3 support, things will get exponentially better for python 3. Continuous integration servers inflate numbers because they re-download things, and there is the CDN which makes all these numbers highly inaccurate. Lots of things have been ported since January, like pycurl, pyOpenSSL, bugzilla [2], etc. Because of the big pushes by Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mozilla, and Gnome [3] communities amongst many others. Things have improved greatly in a few months. Distros, and apps like Sublime Text 3 moving to python 3, along with some of the major missing pieces will help uptake significantly. Almost all packages in Fedora come with python 3 packages now. But the key to increasing python 3 adoption is Apple, and python 3 on OS X. Many of the python packages that come with OS X are now ported to python 3 (Twisted, cups, pyobjc, etc) ... but who knows what they have planned? I guess we'll see June-ish. [0] http://alexgaynor.net/2014/jan/03/pypi-download-statistics/ http://alexgaynor.net/2014/jan/03/pypi-download-statistics/ [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsTPythonVersions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsTPythonVersions [2] https://fedorahosted.org/python-bugzilla/ https://fedorahosted.org/python-bugzilla/ [3] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show//Initiatives/GnomeGoals/Python3Porting?action=show&redirect=GnomeGoals%2FPython3Porting https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show//Initiatives/GnomeGoals/P...
  - kmike84 12y ago
    Only a subset of twisted is ported. For example, twisted trial runner is not ported, so you can't run tests using twisted test runner in Python 3.
    - illumen 12y ago
      Yeah. Here's the issue for it "Port twisted.trial.runner to Python 3" twisted.trial https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/5965 https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/5965

Do you have a link for these numbers?

by illumen 12y ago

Do you have a link for these numbers?

I tweeted about this a while ago, I don't have the numbers at hand. Unfortunately to get those numbers you need to nudge the pypi maintainer as the data dump is too large to keep in a database without wasting money. As such if I would want to run the report again I would need to import multi gigabytes of logs again which takes time.

kaeawc 12y ago
I'll take your word for it then ^_^
illumen 12y ago
Currently python 3 packages ported are at about 10.9% according to pypi. This isn't including separate source downloads, so I guess the number would be higher by a few percentage points. There was a post by Alex Gaynor in January [0] about downloads for python 3 being at 2.4%. But that was before python 3.4 came out, and before some major libraries were finally ported like Twisted. Twisted not being ported was one of the main blockers for python 3 in the last Ubuntu release [1]. Once more distros improve their python 3 support, things will get exponentially better for python 3. Continuous integration servers inflate numbers because they re-download things, and there is the CDN which makes all these numbers highly inaccurate. Lots of things have been ported since January, like pycurl, pyOpenSSL, bugzilla [2], etc. Because of the big pushes by Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mozilla, and Gnome [3] communities amongst many others. Things have improved greatly in a few months. Distros, and apps like Sublime Text 3 moving to python 3, along with some of the major missing pieces will help uptake significantly. Almost all packages in Fedora come with python 3 packages now. But the key to increasing python 3 adoption is Apple, and python 3 on OS X. Many of the python packages that come with OS X are now ported to python 3 (Twisted, cups, pyobjc, etc) ... but who knows what they have planned? I guess we'll see June-ish. [0] http://alexgaynor.net/2014/jan/03/pypi-download-statistics/ http://alexgaynor.net/2014/jan/03/pypi-download-statistics/ [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsTPythonVersions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsTPythonVersions [2] https://fedorahosted.org/python-bugzilla/ https://fedorahosted.org/python-bugzilla/ [3] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show//Initiatives/GnomeGoals/Python3Porting?action=show&redirect=GnomeGoals%2FPython3Porting https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show//Initiatives/GnomeGoals/P...
- kmike84 12y ago
  Only a subset of twisted is ported. For example, twisted trial runner is not ported, so you can't run tests using twisted test runner in Python 3.
  - illumen 12y ago
    Yeah. Here's the issue for it "Port twisted.trial.runner to Python 3" twisted.trial https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/5965 https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/5965