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As one of the many people who lost money in the Gox implosion, this is nauseating to read. On a less related note, I heard they recovered 1/5 of the missing bit

As one of the many people who lost money in the Gox implosion, this is nauseating to read. On a less related note, I heard they recovered 1/5 of the missing bitcoins awhile ago. Anyone know what will happen to that 1/5?

comboy 12y ago
According to they official announcements, these are going to be liquidated to pay some part of the debt to creditors.
sillysaurus3 12y ago
I've got your back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7777831 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7777831 Our money was lost the moment we decided to transfer it to a third party. That 1/5 probably won't recover very much of it, if any of it, for reasons explored in that thread. Whether it's Mt. Gox or Coinbase, money we put into a webwallet is no longer ours. It's the legal entity's. If they go bankrupt, which can happen for a variety of reasons, sometimes unfair ones, then that money is gone. Best magic trick ever. Try to be at peace with the loss. Easier said than done; it was difficult for me. If you need someone to talk to, please feel free to shoot me an email.
- sciguy77 12y ago
  Thanks for the information and advice. I figured as much, my hopes weren't too high. I don't think I'm going to be investing in anything like Bitcoin for a long time. Best of luck.
  - bodski 12y ago
    Don't forget, 'real' bank accounts work like this as well. The money is no longer yours once you deposit into an account. The bank represents it as a liability on its balance sheet. As an account holder you are an 'unsecured creditor' of the bank. I have a feeling a lot more of us will be aware of this arrangement within a year or two, once the bail-ins begin.
    - lrm242 12y ago
      US banks have FDIC insurance to protect deposits up to $250,000 [1]. To the extent that you trust the US government you can trust that your money is safe in a US bank up to the stated FDIC limits. Banks fail all the time. There have been 8 failures in 2014 so far and not a single penny of depositor money has been lost. You can see a list of every bank failure and the outcome here [2]. The simple and incontrovertible fact is that the US banking system is as close to 100% safe as you can get. Bitcoin isn't anywhere close. [1]: http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/index.html http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/index.html [2]: http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/index.html http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/index.html
      - stevewilhelm 12y ago
        Be careful regarding FDIC insurance. Most investment instruments: stock, bond, mutual funds are not covered by FDIC protections. [1] [1] http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/information/fdiciorn.html http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/information/fdiciorn....
    - Nursie 12y ago
      False. In many countries currency deposits (up to a certain level) are protected by law and government guarantees.
      - bodski 12y ago
        I didn't say you won't get your money but that legally speaking the money, once deposited, is not yours any more, it is an asset of the Bank. This is why you'd need insurance/government-guarantees during a bank failure, otherwise you'd be treated just like a stock or bond holder who holds no collateral. "From a legal and financial accounting standpoint, the term "deposit" is used by the banking industry in financial statements to describe the liability owed by the bank to its depositor, and not the funds that the bank holds as a result of the deposit, which are shown as assets of the bank." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposit_account http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposit_account "Bank deposits are simply a record of how much the bank itself owes its customers. So they are a liability of the bank, not an asset that could be lent out." - p.http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q1prereleasemoneycreation.pdf http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarte...

comboy 12y ago

According to they official announcements, these are going to be liquidated to pay some part of the debt to creditors.

sillysaurus3 12y ago

I've got your back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7777831 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7777831 Our money was lost the moment we decided to transfer it to a third party. That 1/5 probably won't recover very much of it, if any of it, for reasons explored in that thread. Whether it's Mt. Gox or Coinbase, money we put into a webwallet is no longer ours. It's the legal entity's. If they go bankrupt, which can happen for a variety of reasons, sometimes unfair ones, then that money is gone. Best magic trick ever. Try to be at peace with the loss. Easier said than done; it was difficult for me. If you need someone to talk to, please feel free to shoot me an email.

sciguy77 12y ago
Thanks for the information and advice. I figured as much, my hopes weren't too high. I don't think I'm going to be investing in anything like Bitcoin for a long time. Best of luck.
- bodski 12y ago
  Don't forget, 'real' bank accounts work like this as well. The money is no longer yours once you deposit into an account. The bank represents it as a liability on its balance sheet. As an account holder you are an 'unsecured creditor' of the bank. I have a feeling a lot more of us will be aware of this arrangement within a year or two, once the bail-ins begin.
  - lrm242 12y ago
    US banks have FDIC insurance to protect deposits up to $250,000 [1]. To the extent that you trust the US government you can trust that your money is safe in a US bank up to the stated FDIC limits. Banks fail all the time. There have been 8 failures in 2014 so far and not a single penny of depositor money has been lost. You can see a list of every bank failure and the outcome here [2]. The simple and incontrovertible fact is that the US banking system is as close to 100% safe as you can get. Bitcoin isn't anywhere close. [1]: http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/index.html http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/index.html [2]: http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/index.html http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/index.html
    - stevewilhelm 12y ago
      Be careful regarding FDIC insurance. Most investment instruments: stock, bond, mutual funds are not covered by FDIC protections. [1] [1] http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/information/fdiciorn.html http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/information/fdiciorn....
  - Nursie 12y ago
    False. In many countries currency deposits (up to a certain level) are protected by law and government guarantees.
    - bodski 12y ago
      I didn't say you won't get your money but that legally speaking the money, once deposited, is not yours any more, it is an asset of the Bank. This is why you'd need insurance/government-guarantees during a bank failure, otherwise you'd be treated just like a stock or bond holder who holds no collateral. "From a legal and financial accounting standpoint, the term "deposit" is used by the banking industry in financial statements to describe the liability owed by the bank to its depositor, and not the funds that the bank holds as a result of the deposit, which are shown as assets of the bank." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposit_account http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposit_account "Bank deposits are simply a record of how much the bank itself owes its customers. So they are a liability of the bank, not an asset that could be lent out." - p.http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q1prereleasemoneycreation.pdf http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarte...