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So, how is all this going to help these guys beat the inevitably emerging robot army? The robot army will be more tenacious, more disciplined, more reliable, m

by jqm 12y ago

So, how is all this going to help these guys beat the inevitably emerging robot army? The robot army will be more tenacious, more disciplined, more reliable, more obedient... in short, it will have all the qualities mentioned at a much higher level... Trying to install habits in men to the point they become machines is futile because... we have machines. And machines are controlled by conscious entities. Want to improve yourself? Don't become a machine. Work on becoming more conscious. More intelligent in ways machines never will. That's the future.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago
The robot army will probably be more predictable. Tease them, lure them into a trap - boom. Watch them for a while and learn their patterns. Same as with non-robot troops. So, make them unpredictable? Their efficiency drops, they become less useful for ordinary operations. You can't win. Except by doing what the Army does - they have regular soldiers, and they have Special Forces who's mandate is to do whatever it takes, even the unpredictable. Deployed into situations where the regular kind won't work. I don't see robot forces ever approaching what we can already do with the right trained team.
- jqm 12y ago
  Is there a computer, right now, that can beat any human alive at chess? I don't know what robotics will do. My point is larger than specifics. And, the point is.... machine like thinking will always be better done by machines. So, developing better machine like thinking in their heads isn't the way forward for humans. It's a futile battle... kind of like John Henry and the steam drill. Sure, being a big strong guy who could hammer railroad stakes all day was a valuable quality.... at one time. Before steam drills. Now, its simply a sideshow in a circus or a personal hobby.
  - sokoloff 12y ago
    Is there a computer, right now, that can beat any human alive at Go?
    - dred_blue 12y ago
      jqm here... There is likely one that can beat *most humans alive right now. What could a 2 billion dollar military grant and a sense of urgency produce in the 3 years? We have driver-less cars. Exponential development. The robot army is coming... like it or not. Sure, humans will always probably make key decisions. Your point is good. There are areas humans have an advantage over machines. But, the robot army is coming and coming fast. My point is... this renders a bunch of the qualities mentioned in this article, qualities designed to turn man into a machine, obsolete. And it means other qualities become more important. Failure to recognize the future and plan for it will mean defeat on the battle field. No matter how much belt buckles are shined.
    - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
      There are no rules in war, not on the ground.
icebraining 12y ago
The drill instructors are proud to see us growing beyond their control. The Marine Corps does not want robots. The Marine Corps wants killers. The Marine Corps wants to build indestructible men. Men without fear. -- Full Metal Jacket
- jqm 12y ago
  "The marine corps wants killers"... Well, that's a bit of an issue morally, however, if you want a REAL killer... get a machine. Those little flesh killers are puny and ineffective.

by jqm 12y ago

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

The robot army will probably be more predictable. Tease them, lure them into a trap - boom. Watch them for a while and learn their patterns. Same as with non-robot troops. So, make them unpredictable? Their efficiency drops, they become less useful for ordinary operations. You can't win. Except by doing what the Army does - they have regular soldiers, and they have Special Forces who's mandate is to do whatever it takes, even the unpredictable. Deployed into situations where the regular kind won't work. I don't see robot forces ever approaching what we can already do with the right trained team.

jqm 12y ago
Is there a computer, right now, that can beat any human alive at chess? I don't know what robotics will do. My point is larger than specifics. And, the point is.... machine like thinking will always be better done by machines. So, developing better machine like thinking in their heads isn't the way forward for humans. It's a futile battle... kind of like John Henry and the steam drill. Sure, being a big strong guy who could hammer railroad stakes all day was a valuable quality.... at one time. Before steam drills. Now, its simply a sideshow in a circus or a personal hobby.
- sokoloff 12y ago
  Is there a computer, right now, that can beat any human alive at Go?
  - dred_blue 12y ago
    jqm here... There is likely one that can beat *most humans alive right now. What could a 2 billion dollar military grant and a sense of urgency produce in the 3 years? We have driver-less cars. Exponential development. The robot army is coming... like it or not. Sure, humans will always probably make key decisions. Your point is good. There are areas humans have an advantage over machines. But, the robot army is coming and coming fast. My point is... this renders a bunch of the qualities mentioned in this article, qualities designed to turn man into a machine, obsolete. And it means other qualities become more important. Failure to recognize the future and plan for it will mean defeat on the battle field. No matter how much belt buckles are shined.
  - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
    There are no rules in war, not on the ground.

icebraining 12y ago

The drill instructors are proud to see us growing beyond their control. The Marine Corps does not want robots. The Marine Corps wants killers. The Marine Corps wants to build indestructible men. Men without fear. -- Full Metal Jacket

jqm 12y ago
"The marine corps wants killers"... Well, that's a bit of an issue morally, however, if you want a REAL killer... get a machine. Those little flesh killers are puny and ineffective.