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We fucked up our own survival,and future generations will hate us for that. Earth will go on for billions of years after we are gone.

by camus2 12y ago

toleavetheman 12y ago
Do you find some kind of solace in your (unfounded) assumption that the earth will outlive humanity?
- kzrdude 12y ago
  The best place to find common ground for us on environmental issues is to look at the human. We are doing this to ourselves, our environment. Two reasons for this view: * Invoke a sense of urgency in the fact that it is our own situation that is at stake, not some abstract external good that only hippies ought to care for. * Because the value of human life is a moral pillar we all share, while I can't find any reason to value existing species over new species, or newly emerging moss species over species that might go extinct.
- mistermann 12y ago
  > Do you find some kind of solace in your (unfounded) assumption that the earth will outlive humanity? I'm struggling to come up with an even remotely likely scenario where that wouldn't be the case....getting sucked into a black hole would be one I suppose.
  - toleavetheman 12y ago
    If we achieve interstellar travel, we will spread to other planets. I see no reason to assume that none of our future colonies could outlive this planet.
    - mistermann 12y ago
      Hmmmm....which is more likely, hard to say.
pavanred 12y ago
Not sure if you based it on this, but it's a very famous argument made by George Carlin [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
fantomass 12y ago
> Earth will go on for billions of years after we are gone. I used to use this phrase too, but now I think there is a lot of overestimation in such understatements. It basically says that you are thinking in time scales much bigger than centuries: You think in billions of years. Besides that I'm not sure anymore if this is really true from a factual point. I mean - where are we after we burned all fossil and nuclear resources? This would be a very new situation for humanity but also for the rest of the living system on this planet. What happens with all the CO2, what happens with all the plutinium? In a relatively short timespan of 2-3 years almost half the bees in my country died. Nobody saw that coming, nobody want/cant do something about it. Thinking that further, what would happen to our biosphere if pollination would stop working withing a short period of time? All living life is reciprocally developed in a long running evolutionary process. So, I think this phrase is used a little too careless, we simply don't no how Earth react on fundamental changes that are happen quickly.

We fucked up our own survival,and future generations will hate us for that. Earth will go on for billions of years after we are gone.

by camus2 12y ago

We fucked up our own survival,and future generations will hate us for that. Earth will go on for billions of years after we are gone.

toleavetheman 12y ago

Do you find some kind of solace in your (unfounded) assumption that the earth will outlive humanity?

kzrdude 12y ago
The best place to find common ground for us on environmental issues is to look at the human. We are doing this to ourselves, our environment. Two reasons for this view: * Invoke a sense of urgency in the fact that it is our own situation that is at stake, not some abstract external good that only hippies ought to care for. * Because the value of human life is a moral pillar we all share, while I can't find any reason to value existing species over new species, or newly emerging moss species over species that might go extinct.
mistermann 12y ago
> Do you find some kind of solace in your (unfounded) assumption that the earth will outlive humanity? I'm struggling to come up with an even remotely likely scenario where that wouldn't be the case....getting sucked into a black hole would be one I suppose.
- toleavetheman 12y ago
  If we achieve interstellar travel, we will spread to other planets. I see no reason to assume that none of our future colonies could outlive this planet.
  - mistermann 12y ago
    Hmmmm....which is more likely, hard to say.

pavanred 12y ago

Not sure if you based it on this, but it's a very famous argument made by George Carlin [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

fantomass 12y ago

> Earth will go on for billions of years after we are gone. I used to use this phrase too, but now I think there is a lot of overestimation in such understatements. It basically says that you are thinking in time scales much bigger than centuries: You think in billions of years. Besides that I'm not sure anymore if this is really true from a factual point. I mean - where are we after we burned all fossil and nuclear resources? This would be a very new situation for humanity but also for the rest of the living system on this planet. What happens with all the CO2, what happens with all the plutinium? In a relatively short timespan of 2-3 years almost half the bees in my country died. Nobody saw that coming, nobody want/cant do something about it. Thinking that further, what would happen to our biosphere if pollination would stop working withing a short period of time? All living life is reciprocally developed in a long running evolutionary process. So, I think this phrase is used a little too careless, we simply don't no how Earth react on fundamental changes that are happen quickly.