> It has to be really frustrating to be an engineer working on Surface and having to deal with the HN echo chamber, or MS bashing (some from Apple fanboys), or

> It has to be really frustrating to be an engineer working on Surface and having to deal with the HN echo chamber, or MS bashing (some from Apple fanboys), or totally unrelated comments. Not really. In MSFT, engineers (and pretty much all other employees) are sheltered from the criticisms of the outside world. I think that is one of the reasons they struggle. They're not plugged into what the rest of the world thinks. MSFT is weird, they do something rad, like the Xbox and 360, and totally fuck it up with the XboxOne. They take a mediocre product like Excel, and make it rad (seriously I love Excel 2013). Then they take Office2013, and make it stupid with Office365 (You can't install a single Office 365 product. You have to install the entire fuggen suite...). Windows 8 was a really cool idea, but I'm not sure how they managed to get so many people pissed about it.