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I'd be interested in the environment: politeness, respect, abuse being frowned upon. I use the Linux kernel constantly, GNU Project software an awful lot, and

I'd be interested in the environment: politeness, respect, abuse being frowned upon. I use the Linux kernel constantly, GNU Project software an awful lot, and Perl now & then. Involvement in any of these strikes me as a bad idea. OTOH, CPython is quite different.

J_Darnley 12y ago
Okay, you have a point. I wouldn't want to join a mean community. Contributing to those projects mentioned sounds hard but I don't know about a "bad idea". Why do you think so? No "low-hanging fruit" does make starting out harder.
- ggchappell 12y ago
  See my reply to raiph.
raiph 12y ago
Have you been seriously involved with the communities you named? I'm involved in a Perl community and it is a wonderful testament to unconditional love and fun and to the productivity and persistence that's a characteristic of this sort of environment.
- ggchappell 12y ago
  > Have you been seriously involved with the communities you named? I haven't been involved at all with the three I gave as "bad idea" examples; I've only used their products. The reason I listed them is that records of disputes or abuse of various kinds are often posted to HN (or to similar portions of Reddit, etc.). I have noticed that if, in some software project using an open development process, someone is (figuratively) screaming at someone else, calling them names, then that someone is virtually always (1) Linus Torvalds, (2) Richard M. Stallman, or (3) someone involved in a Perl project. This has been consistently true for years (even before HN and Reddit existed). I'm sure there are plenty of good, kind, respectful people in each of these projects. However, it is also clear that these are places where there is an entrenched tradition that some kinds of abusive behavior are tolerated. I'm certainly glad that you have had good experiences. Nonetheless, if someone is a newbie who is looking to get involved in open development, then I would say that they should approach these projects with caution, and be prepared to develop a thick skin. OTOH, I mention CPython because they have made a clear effort to be friendly to new people. Also, despite CPython being one of the larger open-development projects, I believe I have never run across a report of abusive behavior in CPython that was allowed to stand without being dealt with.

J_Darnley 12y ago

Okay, you have a point. I wouldn't want to join a mean community. Contributing to those projects mentioned sounds hard but I don't know about a "bad idea". Why do you think so? No "low-hanging fruit" does make starting out harder.

ggchappell 12y ago
See my reply to raiph.

raiph 12y ago

Have you been seriously involved with the communities you named? I'm involved in a Perl community and it is a wonderful testament to unconditional love and fun and to the productivity and persistence that's a characteristic of this sort of environment.

ggchappell 12y ago
> Have you been seriously involved with the communities you named? I haven't been involved at all with the three I gave as "bad idea" examples; I've only used their products. The reason I listed them is that records of disputes or abuse of various kinds are often posted to HN (or to similar portions of Reddit, etc.). I have noticed that if, in some software project using an open development process, someone is (figuratively) screaming at someone else, calling them names, then that someone is virtually always (1) Linus Torvalds, (2) Richard M. Stallman, or (3) someone involved in a Perl project. This has been consistently true for years (even before HN and Reddit existed). I'm sure there are plenty of good, kind, respectful people in each of these projects. However, it is also clear that these are places where there is an entrenched tradition that some kinds of abusive behavior are tolerated. I'm certainly glad that you have had good experiences. Nonetheless, if someone is a newbie who is looking to get involved in open development, then I would say that they should approach these projects with caution, and be prepared to develop a thick skin. OTOH, I mention CPython because they have made a clear effort to be friendly to new people. Also, despite CPython being one of the larger open-development projects, I believe I have never run across a report of abusive behavior in CPython that was allowed to stand without being dealt with.