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Why is Belgium disappointing you? Well, given that his wife longs for "finally have some sunshine, lots of affordable fresh food, perhaps live in a house with

by gcp 12y ago

Why is Belgium disappointing you? Well, given that his wife longs for "finally have some sunshine, lots of affordable fresh food, perhaps live in a house with garden, beautiful nature close enough to actually go camping for the weekends, and friendly and approachable people." I'm going to guess: high housing prices, population density killing nature & unfriendly people. Given that this is HN, I'd add "government and population actively hostile to entrepreneurship" on top of it. You should talk to other people who emigrated, though. One of my friends did, and they found for example that they could hardly afford child daycare because that isn't subsidized in the States, unlike Belgium. There are probably multiple such small surprises lurking.

jacquesm 12y ago
When I read that I thought: South of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy. Any one of those would solve the majority of those wishes, and would be a lot easier to get into than the US. The problem is that no country is perfect. You can't get 'free daycare', 'good weather', 'affordable fresh food', 'beautiful nature close by', 'free healthcare', 'friendly and approachable people', '5 weeks of holiday' and 'free education' all in one serving. (Though I believe strongly that friendly and approachable people can be found anywhere, it's a bit of a reflection on how you are usually.) I say that as someone that has lived in a lot of different countries. (.nl, .pl, .ca, .ro and a bunch of others besides but too short to consider relevant in this context).
- danmaz74 12y ago
  I lived three years in Sardinia and it is almost perfect in those respect, if you don't have to worry about finding a job locally. And it also has very cheap flights with the UK.
- BSousa 12y ago
  South of Portugal and Spain fit most if not all of that, except jobs. In Portugal there are some dev jobs in Faro (but then you have either a long commute or live in an apartment in the city and pay is quite low to be a one provider kind of family) and in Spain Malaga does have good dev jobs around (not sure about Java but iOS/Ruby can get a decent salary there) and there are some places around that fit the bill that are within commuting distance to Malaga companies. For better pay, there is Gibraltar and living in the South side of Spain. Sometimes you have to endure a long border cross, but the pay in Gib compared to cost of living in Spain may be worth it (and there are a few well paid of java/php jobs in Gibraltar in the betting companies) If you want more info about the area, companies or plan/think moving here, shoot me an email (profile).
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    The good bit for the OP is that he might be able to work remote, and spend local. That's the best of both worlds.
    - BSousa 12y ago
      I agree that would be ideal, but having been through a kind of similar search myself recently, I didn't see many java remote jobs available (a lot of ruby ones), and getting one is hard (unless you are an outstanding well-known candidate, you are competing with the whole world for a remote job, and in most cases, you will get someone from eastern europe or phillipines that is as talented as you, but requiring half of what you require (living in Belgium or event Portugal or Spain).
- Morgawr 12y ago
  >You can't get 'free daycare', 'good weather', 'affordable fresh food', 'beautiful nature close by', 'free healthcare', 'friendly and approachable people', '5 weeks of holiday' and 'free education' all in one serving. I agree with your general statement but this description actually fits a big chunk of Italy. It's ironic, I don't like my native country (Italy) and I'm an expatriate and yet I can realize how awesome it might sound to people not from it. The description fits everything you're going to find in Italy. However there are huge downsides, mainly the corruption, government, economy, large taxation for small businesses, very backwards tech (especially IT) industry. If one can get a remote well-paying job, Italy is probably one of the best options to go for that. Downside: the language, Italians are very proud of their language and most of them have a hard time speaking English.
- gcp 12y ago
  I think you mainly missed "good local job market" in the can't have it all list, otherwise I agree that much of southern Europe qualifies.
danmaz74 12y ago
There are many southern EU countries where he would get all those things (sunshine, fresh vegetables, cheap housing, beautiful nature) without having to worry about immigration. I think he could look for a remote job from the UK - should be easy already having connections there - and then move to Southern EU.
mhurron 12y ago
> high housing prices Yet they want to move to California. http://www.hsh.com/finance/mortgage/salary-home-buying-25-cities.html http://www.hsh.com/finance/mortgage/salary-home-buying-25-ci... I'm in the process of buying a house and am very glad I am not in California.

by gcp 12y ago

jacquesm 12y ago

When I read that I thought: South of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy. Any one of those would solve the majority of those wishes, and would be a lot easier to get into than the US. The problem is that no country is perfect. You can't get 'free daycare', 'good weather', 'affordable fresh food', 'beautiful nature close by', 'free healthcare', 'friendly and approachable people', '5 weeks of holiday' and 'free education' all in one serving. (Though I believe strongly that friendly and approachable people can be found anywhere, it's a bit of a reflection on how you are usually.) I say that as someone that has lived in a lot of different countries. (.nl, .pl, .ca, .ro and a bunch of others besides but too short to consider relevant in this context).

danmaz74 12y ago
I lived three years in Sardinia and it is almost perfect in those respect, if you don't have to worry about finding a job locally. And it also has very cheap flights with the UK.
BSousa 12y ago
South of Portugal and Spain fit most if not all of that, except jobs. In Portugal there are some dev jobs in Faro (but then you have either a long commute or live in an apartment in the city and pay is quite low to be a one provider kind of family) and in Spain Malaga does have good dev jobs around (not sure about Java but iOS/Ruby can get a decent salary there) and there are some places around that fit the bill that are within commuting distance to Malaga companies. For better pay, there is Gibraltar and living in the South side of Spain. Sometimes you have to endure a long border cross, but the pay in Gib compared to cost of living in Spain may be worth it (and there are a few well paid of java/php jobs in Gibraltar in the betting companies) If you want more info about the area, companies or plan/think moving here, shoot me an email (profile).
- jacquesm 12y ago
  The good bit for the OP is that he might be able to work remote, and spend local. That's the best of both worlds.
  - BSousa 12y ago
    I agree that would be ideal, but having been through a kind of similar search myself recently, I didn't see many java remote jobs available (a lot of ruby ones), and getting one is hard (unless you are an outstanding well-known candidate, you are competing with the whole world for a remote job, and in most cases, you will get someone from eastern europe or phillipines that is as talented as you, but requiring half of what you require (living in Belgium or event Portugal or Spain).
Morgawr 12y ago
>You can't get 'free daycare', 'good weather', 'affordable fresh food', 'beautiful nature close by', 'free healthcare', 'friendly and approachable people', '5 weeks of holiday' and 'free education' all in one serving. I agree with your general statement but this description actually fits a big chunk of Italy. It's ironic, I don't like my native country (Italy) and I'm an expatriate and yet I can realize how awesome it might sound to people not from it. The description fits everything you're going to find in Italy. However there are huge downsides, mainly the corruption, government, economy, large taxation for small businesses, very backwards tech (especially IT) industry. If one can get a remote well-paying job, Italy is probably one of the best options to go for that. Downside: the language, Italians are very proud of their language and most of them have a hard time speaking English.
gcp 12y ago
I think you mainly missed "good local job market" in the can't have it all list, otherwise I agree that much of southern Europe qualifies.

danmaz74 12y ago

There are many southern EU countries where he would get all those things (sunshine, fresh vegetables, cheap housing, beautiful nature) without having to worry about immigration. I think he could look for a remote job from the UK - should be easy already having connections there - and then move to Southern EU.

mhurron 12y ago

> high housing prices Yet they want to move to California. http://www.hsh.com/finance/mortgage/salary-home-buying-25-cities.html http://www.hsh.com/finance/mortgage/salary-home-buying-25-ci... I'm in the process of buying a house and am very glad I am not in California.