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W3Fools – A W3Schools Intervention

14 points by yiedyie 12y ago

infogulch 12y ago
I wonder if this could be a trademark issue. A newcomer could easily come to the conclusion that w3schools is part of W3C, which is what trademark is intended to protect against. I wonder if it could be used as leverage to get them to enact some of the changes listed in the article.
- yiedyie 12y ago
  Another issue is that when you search about Web 2.0 (HTML, CSS JavaScript, etc), W3Schools comes among the first hits, and they have very poor examples. The OP site used to document this but this was not a solution since W3School just fixed those issues. Check this bad examples from Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20130430052445/http://w3fools.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130430052445/http://w3fools.co...
wiseleo 12y ago
That site has been watered down too much... Here is what needs to be seen: http://web.archive.org/web/20120211235808/http://w3fools.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120211235808/http://w3fools.com... this later changed to http://web.archive.org/web/20130501070306/http://w3fools.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20130501070306/http://w3fools.com... And after May 1, 2013, all details disappeared from the w3fools.com main page, thus reducing its credibility to zero.
- Ygg2 12y ago
  Why was most of content in the bottom removed?
  - wut42 12y ago
    Most the issues pointed has been fixed by W3Schools and they added a "report error" form. See this issue: https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools/issues/50 https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools/issues/50
    - yiedyie 12y ago
      Also I guess it was very difficult for W3fools people to keep this up, it was a pointless effort, improving parts of W3Schools and thus working against their general message.
manicdee 12y ago
Telling folks that W3schools is awful doesn't help them find better resources. Just point people at the better resources, stop linking to W3schools, and help build a better world. http://reference.sitepoint.com/css http://reference.sitepoint.com/css - for a better HTML, CSS and JavaScript reference.
- hadoukenio 12y ago
  The MDN (Mozilla Developer Network) is trying and I think it does a good job too. However sometimes all I need is a dumb but quick example of a specific DOM call. W3Schools does enough of a job for me. Don't hate on me.
  - CAPTyesterday 12y ago
    I agree. I really want to like MDN, and I actually do quite like the site now. But starting out, I just want some damn form tags I can copy paste and throw CSS at to see how things work. MDN is like giving a kid learning how to read a Merriam-Webster.
Justsignedup 12y ago
You know you won when sites are created to help correct content on your site.
joeevans1000 12y ago
MDN is the usual academic freakshow that is official documentation. W3Schools is a genuinely useful resource for people just getting going. I appreciate correct use; I am a fan of the MDN site. But those who lambast W3Schools are grossly out of touch with the needs of new developers. As I feel this strongly, I love that the W3Fools site is so awful looking. It's what you get from a bunch of people who are more eager to say what they don't like than ponder why, in fact, W3Schools is so popular. The W3Fools site speaks for them.

14 points by yiedyie 12y ago

I wonder if this could be a trademark issue. A newcomer could easily come to the conclusion that w3schools is part of W3C, which is what trademark is intended to protect against. I wonder if it could be used as leverage to get them to enact some of the changes listed in the article.

yiedyie 12y ago
Another issue is that when you search about Web 2.0 (HTML, CSS JavaScript, etc), W3Schools comes among the first hits, and they have very poor examples. The OP site used to document this but this was not a solution since W3School just fixed those issues. Check this bad examples from Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20130430052445/http://w3fools.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130430052445/http://w3fools.co...

wiseleo 12y ago

That site has been watered down too much... Here is what needs to be seen: http://web.archive.org/web/20120211235808/http://w3fools.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120211235808/http://w3fools.com... this later changed to http://web.archive.org/web/20130501070306/http://w3fools.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20130501070306/http://w3fools.com... And after May 1, 2013, all details disappeared from the w3fools.com main page, thus reducing its credibility to zero.

Ygg2 12y ago
Why was most of content in the bottom removed?
- wut42 12y ago
  Most the issues pointed has been fixed by W3Schools and they added a "report error" form. See this issue: https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools/issues/50 https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools/issues/50
  - yiedyie 12y ago
    Also I guess it was very difficult for W3fools people to keep this up, it was a pointless effort, improving parts of W3Schools and thus working against their general message.

manicdee 12y ago

Telling folks that W3schools is awful doesn't help them find better resources. Just point people at the better resources, stop linking to W3schools, and help build a better world. http://reference.sitepoint.com/css http://reference.sitepoint.com/css - for a better HTML, CSS and JavaScript reference.

hadoukenio 12y ago
The MDN (Mozilla Developer Network) is trying and I think it does a good job too. However sometimes all I need is a dumb but quick example of a specific DOM call. W3Schools does enough of a job for me. Don't hate on me.
- CAPTyesterday 12y ago
  I agree. I really want to like MDN, and I actually do quite like the site now. But starting out, I just want some damn form tags I can copy paste and throw CSS at to see how things work. MDN is like giving a kid learning how to read a Merriam-Webster.

Justsignedup 12y ago

You know you won when sites are created to help correct content on your site.

joeevans1000 12y ago

MDN is the usual academic freakshow that is official documentation. W3Schools is a genuinely useful resource for people just getting going. I appreciate correct use; I am a fan of the MDN site. But those who lambast W3Schools are grossly out of touch with the needs of new developers. As I feel this strongly, I love that the W3Fools site is so awful looking. It's what you get from a bunch of people who are more eager to say what they don't like than ponder why, in fact, W3Schools is so popular. The W3Fools site speaks for them.