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It becomes more and more impossible every day. Last time I tried to acquire a new IPv4, the distributor (my VPS host) required a technical reason for the reque

It becomes more and more impossible every day. Last time I tried to acquire a new IPv4, the distributor (my VPS host) required a technical reason for the request. If the request wasn't up to par, you would be denied an IPv4 + given an IPv6.

eli 12y ago
Have you ever been denied? My understanding is that hosts are required to justify usage, but that they aren't exactly scrutinizing that document.
leorocky 12y ago
It's trivial to get new IP4 addresses on AWS and Rackspace. I guess it depends on the company. Microsoft's Azure does a weird thing where instances all share the same IP but are accessible via different ports when in a group.
- aroch 12y ago
  Depends on the RIR that assigned your block. RIPE For example requires you provide a technical reason, AWS gets around this by saying that technically every instance could have an SSL certificate and thus should have it own IP for compatibility reasons. RIPE will and has reclaimed /24's and /16's from LIRs who didn't follow their guidelines (tl;dr of which is "must be a technical limitation of IP sharing")
  - justincormack 12y ago
    So they could recall most of Amazon's IPs due to lack of SSL? Fun to watch!
  - yuhong 12y ago
    And XP is already out of support and Server 2003 will next year. When will Amazon AWS end support?
jeffasinger 12y ago
I set up a dedicated server a few months ago. I was given, without even asking for it, a /29 (sort of 8 IPs), and could pay more for additional ones with justification like wanting one per virtualhost, etc. This was not at a particularly expensive provider.
mikeash 12y ago
Hasn't that been the case for a long time? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing stuff along the lines of, "If you'd like an additional IP address for your server, contact us and tell us why you need it" a decade or more ago.
mgkimsal 12y ago
15 years ago I had to fill out an IP justification form - the justification was I had multiple SSL sites that all needed separate IP addresses. Wasn't a big deal, but was told it was standard practice (it was a smaller server center). And then I've had other dedicated server companies give me a block of 8 (5 usable) as just part of the monthly price. What seems so wasteful is the "3 unusable" out of the 8 that are allocated. I have a vague understanding that those 3 are used for some routing/addressing stuff internally, but it's always felt incredibly wasteful.
- q3k 12y ago
  You can actually use two of these addresses (network & broadcast) - but you cannot really call it a proper /X block anymore. You will also have to make sure to disable the broadcast address you've used up on all of your hosts. This is all very fuzzy and some admins will look at you weird for doing this - but sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do. The third address (router) is actually used by your ISP's router's to reach your subnet.

eli 12y ago

Have you ever been denied? My understanding is that hosts are required to justify usage, but that they aren't exactly scrutinizing that document.

leorocky 12y ago

It's trivial to get new IP4 addresses on AWS and Rackspace. I guess it depends on the company. Microsoft's Azure does a weird thing where instances all share the same IP but are accessible via different ports when in a group.

aroch 12y ago
Depends on the RIR that assigned your block. RIPE For example requires you provide a technical reason, AWS gets around this by saying that technically every instance could have an SSL certificate and thus should have it own IP for compatibility reasons. RIPE will and has reclaimed /24's and /16's from LIRs who didn't follow their guidelines (tl;dr of which is "must be a technical limitation of IP sharing")
- justincormack 12y ago
  So they could recall most of Amazon's IPs due to lack of SSL? Fun to watch!
- yuhong 12y ago
  And XP is already out of support and Server 2003 will next year. When will Amazon AWS end support?

jeffasinger 12y ago

I set up a dedicated server a few months ago. I was given, without even asking for it, a /29 (sort of 8 IPs), and could pay more for additional ones with justification like wanting one per virtualhost, etc. This was not at a particularly expensive provider.

mikeash 12y ago

Hasn't that been the case for a long time? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing stuff along the lines of, "If you'd like an additional IP address for your server, contact us and tell us why you need it" a decade or more ago.

mgkimsal 12y ago

15 years ago I had to fill out an IP justification form - the justification was I had multiple SSL sites that all needed separate IP addresses. Wasn't a big deal, but was told it was standard practice (it was a smaller server center). And then I've had other dedicated server companies give me a block of 8 (5 usable) as just part of the monthly price. What seems so wasteful is the "3 unusable" out of the 8 that are allocated. I have a vague understanding that those 3 are used for some routing/addressing stuff internally, but it's always felt incredibly wasteful.

q3k 12y ago
You can actually use two of these addresses (network & broadcast) - but you cannot really call it a proper /X block anymore. You will also have to make sure to disable the broadcast address you've used up on all of your hosts. This is all very fuzzy and some admins will look at you weird for doing this - but sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do. The third address (router) is actually used by your ISP's router's to reach your subnet.