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I feel uncomfortable that you have implicitly associated the parent article and its goals with extremism and hatred, which I don't observe.
by ronaldx 12y ago
I feel uncomfortable that you have implicitly associated the parent article and its goals with extremism and hatred, which I don't observe.
- angersock 12y agoIf you don't believe the article deserves the association, please elaborate on why that is the case. One of the many problems feminism has faced is the lumping in of extremists with more moderates with all sorts of other splinter views; it's to be expected that your work may face the same criticisms.
- swombat 12y agoI've seen those kinds of more extreme articles (and writers) on modelviewculture before, so I think it's fair to judge a publication by what it publishes. And some of these talking points were adopted by ultra-feminists.
- lotsofmangos 12y agoHow is this article extreme?
- ronaldx 12y agoTo clarify: it seems to me that you're using the term "ultra-feminist" to belittle and to trample the points being made.
- AnimalMuppet 12y agoHow about judging this article by what it says?
- litmus 12y agoSomebody stating their views based on past experiences interacting with the community the authors are part of is something other readers might be interested in. See the post by "226jg5" below.
- steveklabnik 12y agoSwombat and the founder of MVC have sparred over twitter numerous times, and he had to unfollow me because I retweet her often. Sometimes, people just don't like each other. (I have no beef with Swombat.)
- rjknight 12y agoAs an aside, Twitter's new-ish mute feature solves that problem. If someone you don't like is being retweeted by someone that you do, you can mute the person being retweeted without affecting the other content from the person you follow.
- nailer 12y agoThe article itself mentions disliking engaging with moderate voices as an attempt to silence more strident voices, and I get where that's coming from, but some of the people with more strident voices are hate-filled hypocrites. I see no harm in promoting the thoughtful stuff (like this article) and ignoring the angry noise.
- steveklabnik 12y agoI don't think anyone should be forced to listen to anything they don't want to. I'm just adding some context, not making a value judgement. I block the hell out of people on Twitter.
- swombat 12y agoFor the record (Twitter was a poor medium for explaining this) I also have no beef with you - I just unfollowed because practically, seeing Shanley's tweets in my feed just makes my life less good by rubbing in my face that such people exist and have influence in the world. I can't do anything about the fact that people choose to follow anger, hatred and fear - but I can at least opt out of seeing those followers across my path. The mute feature isn't quite enough for this, since naturally people who follow Shanley will tend to retweet other related topics that have the same tenor. So unfortunately the best thing for my blood pressure is to simply unfollow people who have joined this movement. Which is all a big shame, because I am a fervent believer in equality (gender or otherwise), and am just as violently opposed to people who discriminate against or insult women just because they're women as Shanley is. However, I am equally hostile to people who discriminate against or insult men just because they're men.