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Given that 99-point-something percent of people fall into one biological category or the other, it's a pretty reasonable approximation.
by hughprime 17y ago
Given that 99-point-something percent of people fall into one biological category or the other, it's a pretty reasonable approximation.
- josefresco 17y agoThere are more cross-gender people in America than there are Jews.
- dmm 17y agoA binary conception of Jewness is insufficient.
- DTrejo 17y agoWhy?
- pyre 17y agoWell, does 'Jew' describe one's ancestry or one's religion?
- DTrejo 17y agoBoth.
- pyre 17y agoSo someone with Jewish ancestry that is a practicing Catholic, and someone that is not of Jewish ancestry that converted to Judaism are both Jewish? That sort of makes it an ambiguous term, no? What if someone was born to two parents that are not of Jewish ancestry, but converted to Judaism? Is that person a Jew by birth? What if that person becomes a Buddhist later in life? Are they still a Jew?
- DTrejo 17y ago>So someone with Jewish ancestry that is a practicing Catholic, and someone that is not of Jewish ancestry that converted to Judaism are both Jewish? If your mother is Jewish, then the Jewish establishment would consider you Jewish. You are considered Jewish if you convert. >That sort of makes it an ambiguous term, no? Unlike other religions, Judaism is a religion and a cultural identity. Many Jews are secular, but still have strong cultural connections. >What if someone was born to two parents that are not of Jewish ancestry, but converted to Judaism? Is that person a Jew by birth? That person is not a Jew by birth, but that person is a Jew by conversion. Historically, the only real test of "Jewness" that matters is this: if the Nazis were around, would they want to kill you?
- pyre 17y ago> Historically, the only real test of "Jewness" that matters is this: if the Nazis were around, would they want to kill you? It seems sorta sad if that's what the Jewish community uses as an 'Are you a Jew?' litmus test.
- DTrejo 17y ago>It seems sorta sad if that's what the Jewish community uses as an 'Are you a Jew?' litmus test. Sad? It's survival. (And yes, it is sad that antisemitism exists.)
- pyre 17y agoSurvival? Where are Jews hunted nowadays? I'm talking about what the Jewish community currently uses. It seems sorta sad that they would adopt the same attitude toward 'Jew-ness' that the Nazis used... In a Helsinki-syndrome sort of way.
- DTrejo 17y agoIf the world were perfect then no one would have to be paranoid. The Helsinki syndrome has nothing to do with this. >Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome]
- Goladus 17y agoIn the meantime, binary conceptions of gender solve problems like: girls in an Indiana high school want to play varsity basketball but cannot compete on the boys team.
- fallentimes 17y agoReally? Do you happen to have a source? A quick google search was fruitless for me.
- jacquesm 17y agohttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewp... http://www.hrc.org/issues/9598.htm http://www.hrc.org/issues/9598.htm The first lists the number of Jewish people in the US as roughly 6.5 million (2.2% of total), the second lists the number of transgender people as between 0.25 and 1% but warns that may be under counted.
- pbhj 17y agoSome stats on that please. And some definitions, what do you mean by "cross-gender"?
- hughprime 17y agoBy "cross-gender" I assume you're including categories like "biological men who identify as women", which is a very large group compared to the biological categories mentioned in the article. I mean, I have no problem with men who want to identify as women, or indeed with men who want to identify as $6.99 Ikea table lamps, but the existence of such men isn't a challenge to binary human/lamp classification schemes.
- whye 17y agoYou have it backwards. prevalence of Klinefelter's syndrome (XXY male, with symptoms): 1 in 1000 men prevalence of Transsexual men ("biological" men who identify as women): 1 in 30,000 to 1 in 4,500 (source: Wikipedia, but the references for these statistics appear to be in legitimate scientific publications)
- dgordon 17y agoActually, prevalence of transsexual women (the accepted term for what you meant, since "women" is what they identify as) is probably quite a bit higher than that. http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html does an analysis that concludes that said prevalence is on the order of 1 in 500. But I don't think we were talking about transsexuality, which is something different from the intersex conditions which might make this whole business of sex testing more complicated than one might expect.
- helveticaman 17y agoSource?
- boredguy8 17y agoThe whole point of that article is that there isn't one biological category or the other. It's nice to see blatant discrimination so highly rewarded, though. Maligning people as 'other' and making artificial constructions of stability that simply don't exist is really sad.