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At a time when taxes are obscenely high - at least in the US - the discussion should be of massive cuts, not new taxes. Alas, I am not optimistic. People have s
by alexeisadeski3 12y ago
At a time when taxes are obscenely high - at least in the US - the discussion should be of massive cuts, not new taxes. Alas, I am not optimistic. People have suffered for generations under horrific conditions. No reason it can't happen here.
Or to be more precise: No reason it can't happen here again. Don't forget slavery and Native Americans.
EDIT: Moved this from a sub post to here:
A lot of people are evidently misinformed about the state of US taxation. Since several have responded to my previous post with similar statements, I'll just take the top post and address the whole issue in one go.
1. The US has low tax rates relative to the rest of the world
For low earners, yes. For high earners no.
Re low earners: Federal income tax is low, SS contributions are moderate, but - and this is key - sales taxes (VAT) are extremely low, excise taxes on fuel are extremely low, and import duties are generally extremely low. Car registration, government fees, etc are all generally moderate to extremely low.
Re high earners:
a) Income taxes are extremely high. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates , sort by "Individual (max)", and note that only France, Belgium, Sweden, and Aruba are higher.
b) Corporate tax is extremely high. Note that many will correctly state that some corporations are able to avoid some of the corporate tax. This is true, though overstated if you only follow what the NYT reports. For domestic US corporations doing business only in the US, their effective corporate rate will range between 35% and 45%, depending on their state.
e) Estate taxes. We pay 50% of our net worth upon death on all assets transferred to our descendants. A truly morally repugnant tax, this one. Passing on our advantages and earnings to our children is a great joy to many people.
d) Tax enforcement is insanely strict. Prison sentences and hefty fines await those who transgress.
e) We can't leave: American citizens pay tax to the US government even if they reside elsewhere. If we give up our citizenship, we must pay the US government between 30 and 40% of our net worth. The US is the only OECD nation to do this.
2. US taxes are lowest they've been since XX!"
This is true for low and middle earners, whose current tax rates are very low. Not true for high earners. The US tax code is the most progressive in the OECD.
The last tax reform was under Reagan. He traded high tax rates with lots of loopholes for moderate tax rates with few loopholes. Since then, the few loopholes have largely been closed (with exceptions, such as the popular middle class* home interest deduction) whilst rates have risen substantially.
See the wiki link above: top US income tax rates are the fifth highest in the world.
3. Overall US taxation is low!
As detailed above, the US taxation regime is the most progressive in the OECD. But taxation is still not low. At 34% of GDP[1], it's higher than Canada and only 5 points lower than the UK. 11 points less than France.
[1] http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/total http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/total
- jonhinson 12y agoAt what rate do taxes cross the threshold of being obscenely high?
- justincormack 12y agoApparently somewhere under 26.9% of GDP.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_reven...
- tormeh 12y agoWell, American taxes are rather typical. A bit on the low side, but not much. What is atypical is the very low return American citizens see on that tax. Some of that is just because of high defense spending but the rest is a product of a completely inane government. One could argue that given the rate of return, American taxes are quite high.
- alexeisadeski3 12y agoAmerican taxes are far from typical: The poor and middle classes pay far less than in Europe, for example. Whilst the rich pay more. Note the lack of high regressive taxes such as VAT, excise, and import taxes in the US.
- tormeh 12y agoI meant in sum. You have a point, but those aren't really regressive taxes so much as flat taxes.
- alexeisadeski3 12y agoThe poor spend a larger share of their income on items covered by VATs and excise and import duties than do rich people. Conversely, rich people save and invest a larger portion of their income. Point being that Europeans, who "see more from the taxes they pay," are really just paying themselves.