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Comcast would very quickly start paying for upgrades if they were losing customers over it. I'd love to switch to someone else. Peering is only broken because

by e28eta 12y ago

Comcast would very quickly start paying for upgrades if they were losing customers over it. I'd love to switch to someone else. Peering is only broken because consumer ISPs are monopolistic, and the big ones are some of the most hated companies in the US, and don't seem to care.

NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
> Comcast would very quickly start paying for upgrades if they were losing customers over it. This seems irrelevant. They're not losing customers. Is Comcast obligated to "lose" those customers themselves, as some sort of self-punishment? > I'd love to switch to someone else. About 3 weeks ago, I had an idea. It might have not been a very good idea. But I turned to my coworker, and I said "hey, those signs Google gives out in Kansas City for people to put in their yards... do you think we could make the local news if we could get 100 people to put them in their yards?". He said he thought that might actually be possible. And if we could get on the evening news, maybe we could drum up support for our city council to actually do something about it. The signs cost about $600 (give or take), and we launched an indiegogo campaign that will end soon. No one is helping though. We've got hundreds and maybe even thousands of Facebook likes, but people won't even donate $5. Hell, they'd end up getting the yard sign that the $5 buys. But they're not just cheapskates, they're also dumb as rocks. One person was complaining about the idea that someone else might get a yard sign if they donated... as if it matters whose yard the sign ends up in, supposing this works. Another said it was a waste of money, that we should just go speak at city council... absent the display of public support of the idea, apparently. Despite all the griping and complaining, I'm having alot of trouble believing anyone who says they want something different. Maybe you would want something different, if it just happens to you. But none of you really deserve anymore than you're getting. > Peering is only broken because consumer ISPs are monopolistic, That's dumb. I've already described how and why peering might be broken. If you had Comcast and Evil Universe Comcast both available where you live right now... we'd still be going through the same crap. Why? Because Netflix would be flooding both of them with asymmetric traffic. And both would still refuse to pay for the upgrades that only benefit Netflix. It's not a monopoly problem. You'd get that if you bothered to think about it. > some of the most hated companies in the US, Some of that hatred is deserved. But that doesn't change the fact that it may not be their fault here. So blaming them, even punishing them... that's not going to fix it.
- jbooth 12y ago
  > And both would still refuse to pay for the upgrades that only benefit Netflix. Those upgrades benefit the consumer, not netflix. The consumers that are paying the ISP for alleged internet service. Then they're paying netflix for the right to access netflix's content using their existing internet provider. The means of moving the bytes is a cost on netflix's end of the network, just like on the ISP's end.

by e28eta 12y ago

NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago

> Comcast would very quickly start paying for upgrades if they were losing customers over it. This seems irrelevant. They're not losing customers. Is Comcast obligated to "lose" those customers themselves, as some sort of self-punishment? > I'd love to switch to someone else. About 3 weeks ago, I had an idea. It might have not been a very good idea. But I turned to my coworker, and I said "hey, those signs Google gives out in Kansas City for people to put in their yards... do you think we could make the local news if we could get 100 people to put them in their yards?". He said he thought that might actually be possible. And if we could get on the evening news, maybe we could drum up support for our city council to actually do something about it. The signs cost about $600 (give or take), and we launched an indiegogo campaign that will end soon. No one is helping though. We've got hundreds and maybe even thousands of Facebook likes, but people won't even donate $5. Hell, they'd end up getting the yard sign that the $5 buys. But they're not just cheapskates, they're also dumb as rocks. One person was complaining about the idea that someone else might get a yard sign if they donated... as if it matters whose yard the sign ends up in, supposing this works. Another said it was a waste of money, that we should just go speak at city council... absent the display of public support of the idea, apparently. Despite all the griping and complaining, I'm having alot of trouble believing anyone who says they want something different. Maybe you would want something different, if it just happens to you. But none of you really deserve anymore than you're getting. > Peering is only broken because consumer ISPs are monopolistic, That's dumb. I've already described how and why peering might be broken. If you had Comcast and Evil Universe Comcast both available where you live right now... we'd still be going through the same crap. Why? Because Netflix would be flooding both of them with asymmetric traffic. And both would still refuse to pay for the upgrades that only benefit Netflix. It's not a monopoly problem. You'd get that if you bothered to think about it. > some of the most hated companies in the US, Some of that hatred is deserved. But that doesn't change the fact that it may not be their fault here. So blaming them, even punishing them... that's not going to fix it.

jbooth 12y ago
> And both would still refuse to pay for the upgrades that only benefit Netflix. Those upgrades benefit the consumer, not netflix. The consumers that are paying the ISP for alleged internet service. Then they're paying netflix for the right to access netflix's content using their existing internet provider. The means of moving the bytes is a cost on netflix's end of the network, just like on the ISP's end.