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I'm also a bit frustrated with the Yii situation, although I do understand why they're doing it. Yii 2.0 is a total rewrite, and it is technically very impressi

by phpnode 12y ago

I'm also a bit frustrated with the Yii situation, although I do understand why they're doing it. Yii 2.0 is a total rewrite, and it is technically very impressive. However they have had the disadvantage of not being able to ship until it reaches feature parity with 1.1 which has been a huge undertaking. The lead developer, Qiang, is literally the second most active developer on github[0], so it's not like they're not trying - the guy is currently on a 370+ day streak - it has taken a huge amount of effort for them to get to this stage. I would personally build on the beta at this point because I have a lot of faith in the core team and they've had a lot of time to iron out any major problems, at this stage any changes are likely to be quite minor or fixes, so the real release will probably ship before your new project does. Kohana seems dead and CakePHP has historically been rather slow and ungainly. The lack of library support for Lua is a bit annoying, but it's getting better and can possibly be mitigated by using Lua's FFI to talk to C. If the eco-system was a bit more mature OpenResty[1] would be pretty compelling. 0. https://gist.github.com/paulmillr/2657075 https://gist.github.com/paulmillr/2657075 1. http://openresty.org/ http://openresty.org/

jacquesm 12y ago
Qiang being so much of the driving force behind Yii is actually a strike against Yii. It would be much better if that load were spread out more, even if that probably would delay a release. SPOFs are not good.
- phpnode 12y ago
  I think most projects have natural leaders, but if Qiang was hit by a bus tomorrow it would be a tragedy but Yii would not die with him. The other core developers, especially Alex and Carsten, are more than capable of picking up the reins, and the project has enough momentum, and has received huge investments of time and energy - it isn't going to go away at this point.
girvo 12y ago
Kohana has died as far as I'm concerned. Such a shame, but it was a great replacement for CodeIgniter back in the day. CakePHP tried to hard to be Rails and messed it up, and I've never forgiven it, and it was horribly slow in my benchmarking. Out of PHP frameworks, I would rule out anything that doesn't use Composer. If you can't use the best bit of tooling PHP has gained lately (other than HHVM) and are stuck copying libraries in by hand, well if you want it to survive then you've made the wrong decision IMO. Personally, I would pick either Symfony or Laravel, the latter for development speed, the former for robustness and power (and explicitness, I'm working on a 400k line web app in Laravel which has had too many shit developers hacking on it over the last 12 months, and we get bitten by magic weekly because a long since fired or quit dev worked against the framework rather than with it).
- noir_lord 12y ago
  400kloc on Laravel, holy shit snacks what the hell does it do? I just cloc'd my projects root and including laravel and some dependencies (/vendor) that's 295,000loc).
  - girvo 12y ago
    Far, far too much. :'( It's a corporate real estate web app, client facing and internal all in the one big app, so they can run their business (taking on a MASSIVE incumbent in the industry) all from the one bit of software. Has nearly 100kloc in an Angular front end, too. Huge bastard that I inherited two months ago, and have finally got it to a state where we can hand it over to the clients internal team. Easily the most challenging project I've tackled thus far in my career, but I managed to do it (with the help of two other awesome developers)!

by phpnode 12y ago

jacquesm 12y ago

Qiang being so much of the driving force behind Yii is actually a strike against Yii. It would be much better if that load were spread out more, even if that probably would delay a release. SPOFs are not good.

phpnode 12y ago
I think most projects have natural leaders, but if Qiang was hit by a bus tomorrow it would be a tragedy but Yii would not die with him. The other core developers, especially Alex and Carsten, are more than capable of picking up the reins, and the project has enough momentum, and has received huge investments of time and energy - it isn't going to go away at this point.

girvo 12y ago

Kohana has died as far as I'm concerned. Such a shame, but it was a great replacement for CodeIgniter back in the day. CakePHP tried to hard to be Rails and messed it up, and I've never forgiven it, and it was horribly slow in my benchmarking. Out of PHP frameworks, I would rule out anything that doesn't use Composer. If you can't use the best bit of tooling PHP has gained lately (other than HHVM) and are stuck copying libraries in by hand, well if you want it to survive then you've made the wrong decision IMO. Personally, I would pick either Symfony or Laravel, the latter for development speed, the former for robustness and power (and explicitness, I'm working on a 400k line web app in Laravel which has had too many shit developers hacking on it over the last 12 months, and we get bitten by magic weekly because a long since fired or quit dev worked against the framework rather than with it).

noir_lord 12y ago
400kloc on Laravel, holy shit snacks what the hell does it do? I just cloc'd my projects root and including laravel and some dependencies (/vendor) that's 295,000loc).
- girvo 12y ago
  Far, far too much. :'( It's a corporate real estate web app, client facing and internal all in the one big app, so they can run their business (taking on a MASSIVE incumbent in the industry) all from the one bit of software. Has nearly 100kloc in an Angular front end, too. Huge bastard that I inherited two months ago, and have finally got it to a state where we can hand it over to the clients internal team. Easily the most challenging project I've tackled thus far in my career, but I managed to do it (with the help of two other awesome developers)!