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"I still haven’t forgiven Microsoft for their countless misdeeds so Asp/C#/F# are all right out." So Xamarin is Microsoft now? Better tell them, because they d

by CmonDev 12y ago

"I still haven’t forgiven Microsoft for their countless misdeeds so Asp/C#/F# are all right out." So Xamarin is Microsoft now? Better tell them, because they don't know it yet. Clojure is a .NET language as well by the way.

jacquesm 12y ago
Apologies for that oversight, Xamarin was not even mentioned on the C# wiki page and I had totally forgotten about them. That said, I see C# very much as a Microsoft eco-system component even though there have been several re-implementations (such as Mono and DotGNU). Just like I see Go as part of Google and erlang as part of Ericsson.
coldtea 12y ago
Talk about pedantic distinctions. First, Xamarin might not be Microsoft, but those languages are developed and controlled (feature wise) by Microsoft, and are best used and more mature with the MS ecosystem. Plus, Xamarin works professionally with MS for quite some time (and a complete acquisition/acqui-hire isn't even that far fetched). Second, Clojure is not used in .NET by anyone but 10 people. That port is if not abandoned, very near it. And even if it was, most Clojure/JVM software is rendered unsuable on the CLR. For all intends and purposes Clojure is 99.9% a JVM language first (and Clojurescript which is also not .NET).
locusm 12y ago
Keep in mind that Microsoft now require you to login with their latest IDE. The moment this will bite you in the ass depends on what license you use (retail, partner etc). If your a partner you get a rolling 30 day trial that's tied to your MS Partner account and if you've ever used the MS Partner website you know what a complete piece of shit that is. From the Partner account you assign development rights to a developer which then flicks a switch in your MSDN account, allowing your developer to login to Visual Studio. Problem is these stars dont always align and your left hanging on the phone to support for hours (this has happened to 2 of our 3 devs now, took 24+ hrs to sort) The only solution is to switch back to VS2012. Xamarin also require that you log in to their IDE, so far so good with them though.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  Tools should work offline, period. Imagine having to call DeWalt or Bosch every time you want to use your drill.
- Encosia 12y ago
  You can install Visual Studio 2013 with a product key instead if you prefer (that's how I have it installed on my machines currently).
  - locusm 12y ago
    I believe thats retail only.
    - Encosia 12y ago
      My product keys have come from MSDN.
      - locusm 12y ago
        Your not using the Partner license, your likely on Bizspark or a bog standard MSDN subscription. Partners pay the most, then get treated like an ahole.
        Encosia 12y ago
        If buying MSDN works out to be cheaper than the Partner program, why not buy MSDN licenses instead?
        locusm 12y ago
        MS Partner licensing gives you broader usage, through to production servers, Office etc. Pretty sure MSDN is dev or training only. Plus why pay twice, shit should just work without all the BS.
- omgtehlion 12y ago

by CmonDev 12y ago

jacquesm 12y ago

Apologies for that oversight, Xamarin was not even mentioned on the C# wiki page and I had totally forgotten about them. That said, I see C# very much as a Microsoft eco-system component even though there have been several re-implementations (such as Mono and DotGNU). Just like I see Go as part of Google and erlang as part of Ericsson.

coldtea 12y ago

Talk about pedantic distinctions. First, Xamarin might not be Microsoft, but those languages are developed and controlled (feature wise) by Microsoft, and are best used and more mature with the MS ecosystem. Plus, Xamarin works professionally with MS for quite some time (and a complete acquisition/acqui-hire isn't even that far fetched). Second, Clojure is not used in .NET by anyone but 10 people. That port is if not abandoned, very near it. And even if it was, most Clojure/JVM software is rendered unsuable on the CLR. For all intends and purposes Clojure is 99.9% a JVM language first (and Clojurescript which is also not .NET).

locusm 12y ago

Keep in mind that Microsoft now require you to login with their latest IDE. The moment this will bite you in the ass depends on what license you use (retail, partner etc). If your a partner you get a rolling 30 day trial that's tied to your MS Partner account and if you've ever used the MS Partner website you know what a complete piece of shit that is. From the Partner account you assign development rights to a developer which then flicks a switch in your MSDN account, allowing your developer to login to Visual Studio. Problem is these stars dont always align and your left hanging on the phone to support for hours (this has happened to 2 of our 3 devs now, took 24+ hrs to sort) The only solution is to switch back to VS2012. Xamarin also require that you log in to their IDE, so far so good with them though.

jacquesm 12y ago
Tools should work offline, period. Imagine having to call DeWalt or Bosch every time you want to use your drill.
Encosia 12y ago
You can install Visual Studio 2013 with a product key instead if you prefer (that's how I have it installed on my machines currently).
- locusm 12y ago
  I believe thats retail only.
  - Encosia 12y ago
    My product keys have come from MSDN.
    - locusm 12y ago
      Your not using the Partner license, your likely on Bizspark or a bog standard MSDN subscription. Partners pay the most, then get treated like an ahole.
      - Encosia 12y ago
        If buying MSDN works out to be cheaper than the Partner program, why not buy MSDN licenses instead?
        locusm 12y ago
        MS Partner licensing gives you broader usage, through to production servers, Office etc. Pretty sure MSDN is dev or training only. Plus why pay twice, shit should just work without all the BS.
omgtehlion 12y ago