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please do, they are certainly caused by his schizophrenia. In much the same way a Tourettes sufferer cannot control their compulsion to say inappropriate things

by phpnode 12y ago

please do, they are certainly caused by his schizophrenia. In much the same way a Tourettes sufferer cannot control their compulsion to say inappropriate things.

sp332 12y ago
But you can edit your post before or even a while after sending it.
- thaumaturgy 12y ago
  It is much harder to edit the thinking that led you to write it in the first place.
  - serf 12y ago
    While I understand the thought process behind giving the mentally ill a free pass when it comes to saying things which seem inappropriate to the rest of us, I also understand that those of us that suffer from those illnesses also have valid political and social preferences and opinions. I've met plenty of mentally ill individuals who were as kind as can be. I've also met individuals that are filled with a special kind of hatred. The question I have : Are there any documents or papers that Terry has written that go against his insensitive and racist ramblings, and explain that his inappropriate use of certain terms that the rest of us would never touch? If there is no formal explanation of language, how can everyone be so sure that the hatred is indeed generated by an illness rather than a hateful person with an uncommon opinion? I know, a formal letter from someone with a mental illness seems like a stretch to ask for, but Terry has been extraordinary in every other facet. He's a true hacker, OS author, and the creator of a language. He commonly posts opinions he has on new articles on his own site, and the posts are relatively lucid, as are technical aspects of his work. I don't think that an explanation of his language use is unworkable, however I do not have any firm grasp on how he interprets reality and can only judge the difficulty on that job in comparison to the difficulty of the work he has already shown he's quite capable at (his OS, for example). I know everyone is going to jump down my throat about all of this, so let me summarize at least what i'm try to get across for anyone that might misunderstand. 1) schizophrenia and racism can exist individually. (however, Schizophrenia can also form racisms.) 2) an individual looking in really has no grasp on what is or is not formed by the condition rather than the individual 3) It's wrong to assume someone isn't something they practice, simply due to a personal flaw. (Example: I'd hate to be the world's biggest racist stuck in the body of a Tourette's patient, everyone would probably blame my rants which I worked so hard on on the disease) (to those of you in this thread that mention Terry doesn't use racial language to describe race : please read more of his work, you're incorrect. Example : http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/Rant140217.html http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/Ra... )
    - thaumaturgy 12y ago
      I'm going to throw out your entire argument here and simply point out that Terry doesn't get a "free pass". Every account he's created here, and there have been a few, get insta-banned. Only people with showdead turned on can even see what he writes. The original comment was about not being able to "see past" Terry's comments. Somehow this has devolved into an attempted debate about antisocial behavior. But, you have to take people as entire individuals, the good with the bad. Orson Scott Card is a talented writer, and a bigot. Tom Cruise is an amazing actor, and a prominent member of a worldwide cult. Terry is a respectable programmer, and mentally ill. We all have different boundaries. If you really find it impossible to consider Terry's work because of his behavior, then so be it; it's not up to me to convince you otherwise. But, a lot of other people are quite capable of discussing his work, respectfully, without getting hung up on his illness.
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curiousDog 12y ago
He's clearly conscious when he's making these remarks. See my comment below.

by phpnode 12y ago

please do, they are certainly caused by his schizophrenia. In much the same way a Tourettes sufferer cannot control their compulsion to say inappropriate things.

sp332 12y ago

But you can edit your post before or even a while after sending it.

thaumaturgy 12y ago
It is much harder to edit the thinking that led you to write it in the first place.
- serf 12y ago
  While I understand the thought process behind giving the mentally ill a free pass when it comes to saying things which seem inappropriate to the rest of us, I also understand that those of us that suffer from those illnesses also have valid political and social preferences and opinions. I've met plenty of mentally ill individuals who were as kind as can be. I've also met individuals that are filled with a special kind of hatred. The question I have : Are there any documents or papers that Terry has written that go against his insensitive and racist ramblings, and explain that his inappropriate use of certain terms that the rest of us would never touch? If there is no formal explanation of language, how can everyone be so sure that the hatred is indeed generated by an illness rather than a hateful person with an uncommon opinion? I know, a formal letter from someone with a mental illness seems like a stretch to ask for, but Terry has been extraordinary in every other facet. He's a true hacker, OS author, and the creator of a language. He commonly posts opinions he has on new articles on his own site, and the posts are relatively lucid, as are technical aspects of his work. I don't think that an explanation of his language use is unworkable, however I do not have any firm grasp on how he interprets reality and can only judge the difficulty on that job in comparison to the difficulty of the work he has already shown he's quite capable at (his OS, for example). I know everyone is going to jump down my throat about all of this, so let me summarize at least what i'm try to get across for anyone that might misunderstand. 1) schizophrenia and racism can exist individually. (however, Schizophrenia can also form racisms.) 2) an individual looking in really has no grasp on what is or is not formed by the condition rather than the individual 3) It's wrong to assume someone isn't something they practice, simply due to a personal flaw. (Example: I'd hate to be the world's biggest racist stuck in the body of a Tourette's patient, everyone would probably blame my rants which I worked so hard on on the disease) (to those of you in this thread that mention Terry doesn't use racial language to describe race : please read more of his work, you're incorrect. Example : http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/Rant140217.html http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/Rants/TAD/2014/02/Ra... )
  - thaumaturgy 12y ago
    I'm going to throw out your entire argument here and simply point out that Terry doesn't get a "free pass". Every account he's created here, and there have been a few, get insta-banned. Only people with showdead turned on can even see what he writes. The original comment was about not being able to "see past" Terry's comments. Somehow this has devolved into an attempted debate about antisocial behavior. But, you have to take people as entire individuals, the good with the bad. Orson Scott Card is a talented writer, and a bigot. Tom Cruise is an amazing actor, and a prominent member of a worldwide cult. Terry is a respectable programmer, and mentally ill. We all have different boundaries. If you really find it impossible to consider Terry's work because of his behavior, then so be it; it's not up to me to convince you otherwise. But, a lot of other people are quite capable of discussing his work, respectfully, without getting hung up on his illness.

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curiousDog 12y ago

He's clearly conscious when he's making these remarks. See my comment below.