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The article is very vague on the actual specifics of this termination, and I don't claim to know any more details. However, to at least play devil's advocate to

by tsycho 12y ago

The article is very vague on the actual specifics of this termination, and I don't claim to know any more details. However, to at least play devil's advocate to this one sided story, what incentive does Google have to fire someone "arbitrarily" if they have been performing satisfactorily, especially considering that Google has been on a continuous hiring spree for a while? Doesn't it seem plausible that the said employee wasn't doing a great job in the first place? If Google fired the lowest stack ranked member in each team every year, we would have heard about 100s of stories or lawsuits by now. I don't know if Google is clean in this particular case, but something smells fishy from the story as it is currently portrayed in this article.

DanBC 12y ago
> Doesn't it seem plausible that the said employee wasn't doing a great job in the first place? Playing ong with your devil's advocacy: there are ways to fire someone who is not performing well. Europe makes it harder, but not impossible, to fire under-performing employees. Certainly in England it's pretty easy to fire people, especially in their first two years of employment. (Just avoid any hint of discrimination against the protected statuses). Also: I'm curious. Don't you trust the Irish courts?
steven2012 12y ago
Jack Welch popularized this decades ago, where every year he would force departments to cull 5-10% of their employees. He stated that this was well-received for the first few years, but after that it got harder, because managers were starting to let go people who were actually decent. But Welch insisted on this because it kept things from stagnating, as well as keeping open reqs when you found very good people. He also said that managers would start to try to game the system where they would hire poorly performing people just so that they could be culled. I think there is some value to occasionally culling your worst performers, but having it as a practice every year the way Welch did, and presumably Google does, makes it tough on everyone because it could lead to situations where good but not outstanding employees are let go for no apparently reason.
jacalata 12y ago
What lawsuits would you have seen? I don't see how it would be illegal to do that in the US in any way.

by tsycho 12y ago

DanBC 12y ago

> Doesn't it seem plausible that the said employee wasn't doing a great job in the first place? Playing ong with your devil's advocacy: there are ways to fire someone who is not performing well. Europe makes it harder, but not impossible, to fire under-performing employees. Certainly in England it's pretty easy to fire people, especially in their first two years of employment. (Just avoid any hint of discrimination against the protected statuses). Also: I'm curious. Don't you trust the Irish courts?

steven2012 12y ago

Jack Welch popularized this decades ago, where every year he would force departments to cull 5-10% of their employees. He stated that this was well-received for the first few years, but after that it got harder, because managers were starting to let go people who were actually decent. But Welch insisted on this because it kept things from stagnating, as well as keeping open reqs when you found very good people. He also said that managers would start to try to game the system where they would hire poorly performing people just so that they could be culled. I think there is some value to occasionally culling your worst performers, but having it as a practice every year the way Welch did, and presumably Google does, makes it tough on everyone because it could lead to situations where good but not outstanding employees are let go for no apparently reason.

jacalata 12y ago

What lawsuits would you have seen? I don't see how it would be illegal to do that in the US in any way.