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They don't have to say CDN explicitly. They can simply say Netflix or Hulu. For example, "Dear valued customer. The recent slow down of your Netflix service is

by JTon 12y ago

They don't have to say CDN explicitly. They can simply say Netflix or Hulu. For example, "Dear valued customer. The recent slow down of your Netflix service is the result of an issue with Netflix servers. ISP_X service is fully functional. Please contact Netflix customer support for further assistance"

yebyen 12y ago
I'm pretty sure Netflix just paid Comcast, and maybe I'm not keeping up with the issues as they arise and I'm really uninformed about the current state of things, but if Level3 is still having a dispute with Comcast, and Comcast blames Level3's actions on Netflix just because they need to blame someone who their customers will recognize... Forget about the gigundous case for libel Netflix would have against Comcast on millions of counts... those Netflix payments that Comcast just earned are going to stop, and their first high-profile experiment with double-dipping payments will have failed abruptly. I assure you Comcast does not want that.
- pdonis 12y ago
  > I'm pretty sure Netflix just paid Comcast They most certainly did; and what's more, the transit provider Netflix was using prior to paying Comcast was, IIRC, Cogent, not Level3.
  - yebyen 12y ago
    So, then this whole idea that Level3 is the only one having problems with these five last-mile ISPs is bunk? Level3's wikipedia page still says they deliver Netflix. Now you're saying they don't even host Netflix. What are Level3's other major clients? I have to imagine there are bigger fish than Apple/iTunes (maybe I'm all wet), they are the only other major client mentioned on the wiki page.
    - pdonis 12y ago
      > this whole idea that Level3 is the only one having problems with these five last-mile ISPs is bunk? I think so, but it's only fair to note that it's very difficult to get accurate information about this, since all of the parties have a strong interest in not making all the details public, at least not while they're jockeying for position. > Level3's wikipedia page still says they deliver Netflix. No, it says (if you go look at the reference that's footnoted) that Netflix was about to switch to Level3 (from Cogent, although that specific reference doesn't say so) as as transit provider, and Comcast used that to try to extract peering fees from Level3 based on an expected increased level of traffic. When Level3 refused, Comcast went to Netflix and got them to pay for direct connection to Comcast's network, bypassing any transit provider.
rhizome 12y ago
Um, that would be a trade libel.

by JTon 12y ago

yebyen 12y ago

I'm pretty sure Netflix just paid Comcast, and maybe I'm not keeping up with the issues as they arise and I'm really uninformed about the current state of things, but if Level3 is still having a dispute with Comcast, and Comcast blames Level3's actions on Netflix just because they need to blame someone who their customers will recognize... Forget about the gigundous case for libel Netflix would have against Comcast on millions of counts... those Netflix payments that Comcast just earned are going to stop, and their first high-profile experiment with double-dipping payments will have failed abruptly. I assure you Comcast does not want that.

pdonis 12y ago
> I'm pretty sure Netflix just paid Comcast They most certainly did; and what's more, the transit provider Netflix was using prior to paying Comcast was, IIRC, Cogent, not Level3.
- yebyen 12y ago
  So, then this whole idea that Level3 is the only one having problems with these five last-mile ISPs is bunk? Level3's wikipedia page still says they deliver Netflix. Now you're saying they don't even host Netflix. What are Level3's other major clients? I have to imagine there are bigger fish than Apple/iTunes (maybe I'm all wet), they are the only other major client mentioned on the wiki page.
  - pdonis 12y ago
    > this whole idea that Level3 is the only one having problems with these five last-mile ISPs is bunk? I think so, but it's only fair to note that it's very difficult to get accurate information about this, since all of the parties have a strong interest in not making all the details public, at least not while they're jockeying for position. > Level3's wikipedia page still says they deliver Netflix. No, it says (if you go look at the reference that's footnoted) that Netflix was about to switch to Level3 (from Cogent, although that specific reference doesn't say so) as as transit provider, and Comcast used that to try to extract peering fees from Level3 based on an expected increased level of traffic. When Level3 refused, Comcast went to Netflix and got them to pay for direct connection to Comcast's network, bypassing any transit provider.

rhizome 12y ago

Um, that would be a trade libel.