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So on the one side is the fat-cat ISP who doesn't want to make expensive capital investments ih their transport. And on the other side is the fat-cat vc funded

So on the one side is the fat-cat ISP who doesn't want to make expensive capital investments ih their transport. And on the other side is the fat-cat vc funded video content providers, who don't want to pay for the their mp4-based saturation of all the pipes. This is a negotiation. There are two active media campaigns that are trying to gin up our anger against The Other Guy (tm) as part of their negotiations. I just can't get invested in this nonsense.

bigdubs 12y ago
My read from the post was different; the peering agreements are in place, but one side (the isp's) aren't matching the investment level3 is making into it's infrastructure to handle all that streaming. They are instead asking for $$ in addition to the $$ they collect from their customers, essentially double dipping.
dpcx 12y ago
Unless I'm mistaken, by paying for an internet connection, the "fat-cat vc funded video content providers" are paying for "their mp4-based saturation".
burke 12y ago
I find it a bit offensive that this can be accurately viewed as a negotiation. This is like demanding the supermarket buy your grocery delivery business a larger van when the toilet paper manufacturer starts selling larger packs. It's arrogant, and violates the proper division of responsibilities. It only might work because of local monopolies. Netflix is already paying for traffic to Level3. ISPs need to upgrade their infrastructure and increase prices if it's too expensive.
- diminoten 12y ago
  L3 isn't the only content provider, and the 5 UNNAMED ISPs (Comcast isn't necessarily the culprit here) can still provide content to their customers. Netflix is free to hire one of the many CDNs which do play ball with these ISPs.
knome 12y ago
I'm paying my ISP to maintain a good enough connection to the backbone infrastructure such that I can download what I want. The content providers are paying their ISP to maintain a good enough connection to the backbone infrastructure such that they can upload what they want. The content providers ISP is maintaining a good connection, and shunting their packets into the backbone happily. The problem, is my ISP is being a dick and refusing to upgrade their connection. The backbone is dropping my packets because my ISP isn't holding up it's side of the bargain and giving the backbone the connection it needs to offload the traffic I'm requesting. Instead, they want the businesses I request packets from to pay them a toll to deliver those packets. This isn't how the system is supposed to work, but they don't mind breaking everything and pissing everyone off if it means they can put a surcharge on the traffic I request.

bigdubs 12y ago

My read from the post was different; the peering agreements are in place, but one side (the isp's) aren't matching the investment level3 is making into it's infrastructure to handle all that streaming. They are instead asking for $$ in addition to the $$ they collect from their customers, essentially double dipping.

dpcx 12y ago

Unless I'm mistaken, by paying for an internet connection, the "fat-cat vc funded video content providers" are paying for "their mp4-based saturation".

burke 12y ago

I find it a bit offensive that this can be accurately viewed as a negotiation. This is like demanding the supermarket buy your grocery delivery business a larger van when the toilet paper manufacturer starts selling larger packs. It's arrogant, and violates the proper division of responsibilities. It only might work because of local monopolies. Netflix is already paying for traffic to Level3. ISPs need to upgrade their infrastructure and increase prices if it's too expensive.

diminoten 12y ago
L3 isn't the only content provider, and the 5 UNNAMED ISPs (Comcast isn't necessarily the culprit here) can still provide content to their customers. Netflix is free to hire one of the many CDNs which do play ball with these ISPs.

knome 12y ago

I'm paying my ISP to maintain a good enough connection to the backbone infrastructure such that I can download what I want. The content providers are paying their ISP to maintain a good enough connection to the backbone infrastructure such that they can upload what they want. The content providers ISP is maintaining a good connection, and shunting their packets into the backbone happily. The problem, is my ISP is being a dick and refusing to upgrade their connection. The backbone is dropping my packets because my ISP isn't holding up it's side of the bargain and giving the backbone the connection it needs to offload the traffic I'm requesting. Instead, they want the businesses I request packets from to pay them a toll to deliver those packets. This isn't how the system is supposed to work, but they don't mind breaking everything and pissing everyone off if it means they can put a surcharge on the traffic I request.