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> in this conversation you are one of the extremists. It is extremism if and only if refusing to negotiate with muggers also is extremism. > trying to frame i

> in this conversation you are one of the extremists. It is extremism if and only if refusing to negotiate with muggers also is extremism. > trying to frame it as the world threatened by the sword of communism Whether the world at whole is threatened or not I dont know (people seem to survive in North Korea), but leftists like you certainly threaten my income and my freedom. If you scheme to force me to give a part of the products of my labor to you, it is the same thing as forcing me to work a part of my workday for you. In my eyes, wanting to force people to work for you against their will makes _you_ an extremist. > signals a refusal to enter any kind of debate. If you carefully observe, we're already debating right now. But you seem to be more preoccupied with labeling your opponents as extremist, refusing to debate, etc, than with debating itself. Refusing to play the "let's meet at the middle ground" game doesnt imply refusing to debate at all. It just means your argument (communism is good, so gimme your stuff) is too nonsensical to make me accept even parts of it as reasonable.

PavlovsCat 12y ago
> your argument (communism is good, so gimme your stuff) is too nonsensical Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? > you seem to be more preoccupied with labeling your opponents Your own post jumped immediately "distrusting capitalism", "social workers" and "allocating resources fairly" to "communism" and "muggers", so I think it's fair to say you're projecting. And it reminded me of this: We've changed. And we've become contemptuous of the idea that we're all in this together. This is about sharing. And about, you know... when you say sharing, there is a percentage of the population, and it's the moneyed percent of our population, that hears "socialism" or "communism" or any of the other -isms they wanna put on it, but ultimately, we are all a part of the same society, and it's either gonna be a mediocre society that, you know, abuses people, or it's not. -- David Simon ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL6Jv2Jpnpg&t=6m50s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL6Jv2Jpnpg&t=6m50s )
- muuh-gnu 12y ago
  > Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing." If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people who do not _want_ to share --and it of course does-- is is just an euphemism for outright communism.
  - PavlovsCat 12y ago
    > I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing." So you magically knew I would post that? > If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people Yeah, IF. A mighty huge if. I wonder how it can be so huge... is it filled with straw perhaps?
sanderjd 12y ago
You aren't debating, you're just shouting.

PavlovsCat 12y ago

> your argument (communism is good, so gimme your stuff) is too nonsensical Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? > you seem to be more preoccupied with labeling your opponents Your own post jumped immediately "distrusting capitalism", "social workers" and "allocating resources fairly" to "communism" and "muggers", so I think it's fair to say you're projecting. And it reminded me of this: We've changed. And we've become contemptuous of the idea that we're all in this together. This is about sharing. And about, you know... when you say sharing, there is a percentage of the population, and it's the moneyed percent of our population, that hears "socialism" or "communism" or any of the other -isms they wanna put on it, but ultimately, we are all a part of the same society, and it's either gonna be a mediocre society that, you know, abuses people, or it's not. -- David Simon ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL6Jv2Jpnpg&t=6m50s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL6Jv2Jpnpg&t=6m50s )

muuh-gnu 12y ago
> Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing." If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people who do not _want_ to share --and it of course does-- is is just an euphemism for outright communism.
- PavlovsCat 12y ago
  > I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing." So you magically knew I would post that? > If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people Yeah, IF. A mighty huge if. I wonder how it can be so huge... is it filled with straw perhaps?

sanderjd 12y ago

You aren't debating, you're just shouting.