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First let's start with a lesson on affiliate vs franchise. Crossfit (the company) is an affiliate model. You pay $3k a year to use their name and $1k to be "cer

by skizm 12y ago

First let's start with a lesson on affiliate vs franchise. Crossfit (the company) is an affiliate model. You pay $3k a year to use their name and $1k to be "certified". That's it. You can start whatever kind of gym you want now, as long as you don't bash the Crossfit name. Crossfit cannot enforce quality control measures as an affiliate which is why so many gyms are shit. If Crossfit enforced quality control, they would be pushing themselves into the franchise category and open themselves up to all kinds of liabilities. They don't want this so they stay hands off and just run the games each year. Back to the article... Welcome to every single Crossfit argument for the last 10 years. Coaches are bad, high rep oly moves are bad, everyone's form is bad, blah blah blah. The answer to every single complaint this guy has is that he is in a terrible crossfit gym with terrible coaches. Granted, there are a lot of terrible crossfit gyms out there and a lot of terrible coaches. That doesn't make crossfit in general bad. Crossfit is a sport, just like boxing, MMA, and skateboarding are sports. Sports come with inherent risks. Deal with it or don't do it. Some people do these sports with the main purpose of getting in shape, but also want to have a little fun since benching by yourself in the morning can get boring. They dumb down the movements to remove some of the risks but still capture the nature of the sport. This is exactly like people who take kickboxing classes at the YMCA. Kickboxing is dangerous, yet no one is arguing that we should cancel all kickboxing classes. It boggles my mind sometimes. Why are people so offended by Crossfit? Who cares what other people do to get in shape? There are people doing parkour on the top of buildings, jumping dirt bikes over the grand canyon, and snowboarding down mountain sides and no one cares about them. Why is Crossfit special?

personZ 12y ago
>Why are people so offended by Crossfit? Who cares what other people do to get in shape? This same comment can be applied to the visceral rage that people feel towards elements of the technology world, where commentary on database technologies, programming languages, or testing approaches sees far more emotion that it reasonably should. In all cases I think it is a facet of attaching your ego to an opinion. If you have stated or believe x, when people do y it seems like a personal affront that needs to be confronted. People get far too invested in these sorts of arguments, and grow increasingly agitated over inconsequential decisions of others that otherwise have absolutely no impact on their life.
peteretep 12y ago
> Why are people so offended by Crossfit? Who cares what > other people do to get in shape? [snip] Why is Crossfit > special? Because there is a perception that Crossfit aficionados spend an inordinate amount of time telling everyone else how Crossfit is the One True Sport and that everyone else is fat and stupid for not doing Crossfit. Proselytizing people should probably prepare for pushback.
enraged_camel 12y ago
>>The answer to every single complaint this guy has is that he is in a terrible crossfit gym with terrible coaches. Granted, there are a lot of terrible crossfit gyms out there and a lot of terrible coaches. That doesn't make crossfit in general bad. First of all, Erin Simmons is a woman. Second of all, she addresses this argument in the very last paragraph. You may want to read the whole thing before commenting on it. >>It boggles my mind sometimes. Why are people so offended by Crossfit? It boggles my mind sometimes. Why are Crossfitters get so incredibly defensive whenever someone criticizes them? What's with the fucking creepy cult mentality?
- skizm 12y ago
  My bad. Did not realize it was a woman. I did read the whole thing. Her last paragraph is like me saying, "If you do any sort of MMA programming it is terrible for you. You will get hurt. Period. No exceptions. Don't listen to your coaches." Just because she says something doesn't mean it is true. Second point, I should have asked, Why are people so offended by crossfit in particular? Seems like a disproportionate amount of hate toward crossfit as opposed to other sports. I guess you could attribute it to popularity though. Bigger target, more pageviews/reactions if you bash it.
  - enraged_camel 12y ago
    >>Her last paragraph is like me saying, "If you do any sort of MMA programming it is terrible for you. You will get hurt. Period. No exceptions. Don't listen to your coaches." Just because she says something doesn't mean it is true No it is not. The logic is both solid and easy enough to follow: Crossfit gyms are about Workouts of the Day. Every gym does them. And they are dangerous as hell. Therefore every Crossfit gym is dangerous. Another commenter gave this accurate analogy: "It’s like saying I don’t need to visit every movie theater in America to know that they all show movies at regular intervals." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7762796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7762796
    - skizm 12y ago
      Her premises is flawed. Workout of the day is a prescribed set of movements with a particular goal in mind. You scale and change the weight movement and reps with your coach each day based on skill, and ability. The author seems to think there is no wiggle room. Also most gyms week have several workout of the days to pick from based on experience level. The mark of a good crossfit gym is individualization. This author seems to think those kinds of gyms don't exist.
falcolas 12y ago
Why am I offended? Because I've suffered the pain of joints injured by high strain repetitive movements, and don't want others to endure the same. There's something to be said about letting someone make their own mistakes, but this is something that screws you over for life. With regards to the "Just a bad gym; just a bad coach" argument... I think the article goes over that sufficiently. It's not just a gym or a coach which is the problem, it's the core philosophy of the workout that's the problem.
bane 12y ago
> Why are people so offended by Crossfit? To be honest, most people couldn't give two shits about Crossfit. It's the Crossfitters that are the problem. They tend to act like newly converted religious acolytes, annoying the hell out of everybody they come in contact with by constantly proselytizing Crossfit. It's kind of like any other activity that a person has to choose to make serious and comprehensive lifestyle choices that remove them from what they perceive to be mainstream society. They have to constantly justify their choice and one way of doing that is to build a circle of like-minded people you can echo chamber off of, another way to do it is to announce it all the time and assert the choice as part of your identity, yet another way is to convince themselves it's a moral conviction and their chosen social isolation is simply a result of them finding some true path and people who haven't found that path are immoral or crazy or whatever. You know how to tell somebody does Crossfit? Don't worry, they'll tell you.
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by skizm 12y ago

personZ 12y ago

>Why are people so offended by Crossfit? Who cares what other people do to get in shape? This same comment can be applied to the visceral rage that people feel towards elements of the technology world, where commentary on database technologies, programming languages, or testing approaches sees far more emotion that it reasonably should. In all cases I think it is a facet of attaching your ego to an opinion. If you have stated or believe x, when people do y it seems like a personal affront that needs to be confronted. People get far too invested in these sorts of arguments, and grow increasingly agitated over inconsequential decisions of others that otherwise have absolutely no impact on their life.

peteretep 12y ago

> Why are people so offended by Crossfit? Who cares what > other people do to get in shape? [snip] Why is Crossfit > special? Because there is a perception that Crossfit aficionados spend an inordinate amount of time telling everyone else how Crossfit is the One True Sport and that everyone else is fat and stupid for not doing Crossfit. Proselytizing people should probably prepare for pushback.

enraged_camel 12y ago

>>The answer to every single complaint this guy has is that he is in a terrible crossfit gym with terrible coaches. Granted, there are a lot of terrible crossfit gyms out there and a lot of terrible coaches. That doesn't make crossfit in general bad. First of all, Erin Simmons is a woman. Second of all, she addresses this argument in the very last paragraph. You may want to read the whole thing before commenting on it. >>It boggles my mind sometimes. Why are people so offended by Crossfit? It boggles my mind sometimes. Why are Crossfitters get so incredibly defensive whenever someone criticizes them? What's with the fucking creepy cult mentality?

skizm 12y ago
My bad. Did not realize it was a woman. I did read the whole thing. Her last paragraph is like me saying, "If you do any sort of MMA programming it is terrible for you. You will get hurt. Period. No exceptions. Don't listen to your coaches." Just because she says something doesn't mean it is true. Second point, I should have asked, Why are people so offended by crossfit in particular? Seems like a disproportionate amount of hate toward crossfit as opposed to other sports. I guess you could attribute it to popularity though. Bigger target, more pageviews/reactions if you bash it.
- enraged_camel 12y ago
  >>Her last paragraph is like me saying, "If you do any sort of MMA programming it is terrible for you. You will get hurt. Period. No exceptions. Don't listen to your coaches." Just because she says something doesn't mean it is true No it is not. The logic is both solid and easy enough to follow: Crossfit gyms are about Workouts of the Day. Every gym does them. And they are dangerous as hell. Therefore every Crossfit gym is dangerous. Another commenter gave this accurate analogy: "It’s like saying I don’t need to visit every movie theater in America to know that they all show movies at regular intervals." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7762796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7762796
  - skizm 12y ago
    Her premises is flawed. Workout of the day is a prescribed set of movements with a particular goal in mind. You scale and change the weight movement and reps with your coach each day based on skill, and ability. The author seems to think there is no wiggle room. Also most gyms week have several workout of the days to pick from based on experience level. The mark of a good crossfit gym is individualization. This author seems to think those kinds of gyms don't exist.

falcolas 12y ago

Why am I offended? Because I've suffered the pain of joints injured by high strain repetitive movements, and don't want others to endure the same. There's something to be said about letting someone make their own mistakes, but this is something that screws you over for life. With regards to the "Just a bad gym; just a bad coach" argument... I think the article goes over that sufficiently. It's not just a gym or a coach which is the problem, it's the core philosophy of the workout that's the problem.

bane 12y ago

> Why are people so offended by Crossfit? To be honest, most people couldn't give two shits about Crossfit. It's the Crossfitters that are the problem. They tend to act like newly converted religious acolytes, annoying the hell out of everybody they come in contact with by constantly proselytizing Crossfit. It's kind of like any other activity that a person has to choose to make serious and comprehensive lifestyle choices that remove them from what they perceive to be mainstream society. They have to constantly justify their choice and one way of doing that is to build a circle of like-minded people you can echo chamber off of, another way to do it is to announce it all the time and assert the choice as part of your identity, yet another way is to convince themselves it's a moral conviction and their chosen social isolation is simply a result of them finding some true path and people who haven't found that path are immoral or crazy or whatever. You know how to tell somebody does Crossfit? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

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