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>First you say that you're an engineer, which means you're an "applied scientist". I am. >Then afterwards you go on to claim that computer scientists aren't r

by na85 13y ago

>First you say that you're an engineer, which means you're an "applied scientist". I am. >Then afterwards you go on to claim that computer scientists aren't really "engineers" by your definition. They're not. At least, not in Canada. It's against the law to call yourself an engineer if you don't actually hold an engineering degree from an accredited institution. >I can't tell if you're just confused about what all these terms mean to you, or you're just hurriedly trying to justify your own internal view of superiority over "non-engineers" because you're a "mechanical engineer" and don't like being on the same plane as them. That's your problem. I'm not confused in the slightest nor do I feel superior. Different skills for different areas of focus. I specifically referred to computer scientists as "specialists" having more appropriate training. If you're upset because you can't legally call yourself an engineer in my country then that's not my problem. > They all had a vested interest in protecting the term engineer because if they didn't, it would devalue their worth and the degree they hold. And the government-body given "accreditation" that they lord over people for higher pay. Sounds like you're the one with an inferiority complex here. I like how you put "accreditation" in quotes as if to imply that accreditation is not really worth anything. That's very mature. The term Engineer is protected in my country due to very real issues of public safety. You don't want someone certifying a skyscraper as safe, only to find out they are an architect, not an engineer, and therefore weren't trained in structural dynamics, metal fatigue, stress analysis, etc. If that architect wants to be able to certify buildings they need to demonstrate competency to the regulatory authorities by completing an accredited program. You know how they say "don't roll your own crypto, leave it to the experts"? Same thing.

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CountSessine 12y ago
>First you say that you're an engineer, which means you're an "applied scientist". I am. I think that's just a ridiculous way of referring to engineering. If we're going to be strict about the term engineer, we might as well be strict about the term scientist and pounce on anyone calling themselves a scientist, applied or otherwise, if they haven't submitted articles for peer review. How many members of your graduating class of applied scientists have been peer reviewed? They're not. At least, not in Canada. It's against the law to call yourself an engineer if you don't actually hold an engineering degree from an accredited institution. Protection of the term engineer in Canada, for any old BSE, is ridiculous and is inconsistent with conventions in most of the rest of the developed world. It's largely ignored by industry, frequently 'violated', and protects no one - certainly not the public at large, at least. What really needs protection is the title P.Eng, which actually is important to the safety of the public. The term Engineer is protected in my country due to very real issues of public safety P.Eng. yes - but a BSE? Should the full force of law really be brought to bear on someone who might be confused with having earned a BSE by calling themselves an engineer? Who does this protect? You don't want someone certifying a skyscraper as safe, only to find out they are an architect, not an engineer Yes - and that would be a licensed, legally entitled, and legally cupable P.Eng., not some random BSE. Edit - for the uninitiated, P.Eng. or Professional Engineer is a legally protected (in Canada and the United States at least) title given to a graduate of an engineering program who has been through an industry mentoring process, has taken competency exams, and has taken a professional oath of ethics. These are the men and women who keep our bridges from falling down by saying 'no' when someone wants to cut corners or reduce expenses. Many projects, especially in civil engineering, require the sign-off of a P.Eng. A P.Eng. is also legally culpable if they knowingly approve of something that they shouldn't. A BSE is someone who graduates from an undergraduate engineering program.
- na85 12y ago
  >P.Eng. yes - but a BSE? Should the full force of law really be brought to bear on someone who might be confused with having earned a BSE by calling themselves an engineer? Who does this protect? I think it's pretty obvious that I meant P.Eng but didn't want to get into it for brevity. Not everyone knows the difference. Sorry you're butthurt.
  - hueving 12y ago
    >I think it's pretty obvious that I meant P.Eng but didn't want to get into it for brevity. That's a pretty major thing to omit considering the argument you were trying to make. Keep shifting those goalposts. >Sorry you're butthurt. For being an engineer, you're certainly very immature and appear to lack the critical thinking skills required to engage in an argument with valid points.

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CountSessine 12y ago

>First you say that you're an engineer, which means you're an "applied scientist". I am. I think that's just a ridiculous way of referring to engineering. If we're going to be strict about the term engineer, we might as well be strict about the term scientist and pounce on anyone calling themselves a scientist, applied or otherwise, if they haven't submitted articles for peer review. How many members of your graduating class of applied scientists have been peer reviewed? They're not. At least, not in Canada. It's against the law to call yourself an engineer if you don't actually hold an engineering degree from an accredited institution. Protection of the term engineer in Canada, for any old BSE, is ridiculous and is inconsistent with conventions in most of the rest of the developed world. It's largely ignored by industry, frequently 'violated', and protects no one - certainly not the public at large, at least. What really needs protection is the title P.Eng, which actually is important to the safety of the public. The term Engineer is protected in my country due to very real issues of public safety P.Eng. yes - but a BSE? Should the full force of law really be brought to bear on someone who might be confused with having earned a BSE by calling themselves an engineer? Who does this protect? You don't want someone certifying a skyscraper as safe, only to find out they are an architect, not an engineer Yes - and that would be a licensed, legally entitled, and legally cupable P.Eng., not some random BSE. Edit - for the uninitiated, P.Eng. or Professional Engineer is a legally protected (in Canada and the United States at least) title given to a graduate of an engineering program who has been through an industry mentoring process, has taken competency exams, and has taken a professional oath of ethics. These are the men and women who keep our bridges from falling down by saying 'no' when someone wants to cut corners or reduce expenses. Many projects, especially in civil engineering, require the sign-off of a P.Eng. A P.Eng. is also legally culpable if they knowingly approve of something that they shouldn't. A BSE is someone who graduates from an undergraduate engineering program.

na85 12y ago
>P.Eng. yes - but a BSE? Should the full force of law really be brought to bear on someone who might be confused with having earned a BSE by calling themselves an engineer? Who does this protect? I think it's pretty obvious that I meant P.Eng but didn't want to get into it for brevity. Not everyone knows the difference. Sorry you're butthurt.
- hueving 12y ago
  >I think it's pretty obvious that I meant P.Eng but didn't want to get into it for brevity. That's a pretty major thing to omit considering the argument you were trying to make. Keep shifting those goalposts. >Sorry you're butthurt. For being an engineer, you're certainly very immature and appear to lack the critical thinking skills required to engage in an argument with valid points.