4 ms·

Hi guys, Life360's CEO here. Thanks for the help. As a bit more color, the company that is suing is seems to be failing and this is a desperate last gasp. Che

by crhulls 12y ago

Hi guys, Life360's CEO here. Thanks for the help. As a bit more color, the company that is suing is seems to be failing and this is a desperate last gasp. Checkout http://www.agisinc.com/ http://www.agisinc.com/ As Steve mentioned, we just raised $50m, so we have to spend some real cash to get this invalidated, we'll do it. When we were smaller we would just pay these assholes off, but now we have a warchest we won't roll over so easy.

gnoway 12y ago
I don't think a company helmed by the inventor which actually sells a product based on the patents is a patent troll. How do you know the company is failing? And why would that knowledge lead you to believe both that their inquiry was trollish and that it was responsible and appropriate to reply as you did? Forgive me if I'm just missing the obvious; I have not studied the patents in question and I wouldn't know whether they were legit if I did. But I think of a patent troll as an entity which acquires patents from other companies/inventors for the sole purpose of litigating them, and this company does not appear to fit that model at all.
akerl_ 12y ago
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but while lots of us will support your feelings, your choice of how to display them makes you appear childish. It's unlikely to help your overall point.
- crhulls 12y ago
  Yea, it was childish, but you know what...it felt good. The whole thing is such a broken mess that giving them the standard prim and proper legal response only helps perpetuate a broken system. Also, now they are going right to suing us instead of asking for a settlement. This is good for everyone else, because if we win, their patent is invalidated and they can't do this to another company. I think Series B/C/D companies like us should take these more aggressive stands. We are big enough we don't have to roll over, but we are still small enough that we don't have to be beholden to our own legal departments.
xelipe 12y ago
First thing you have to understand is that the ownership of a patent alone doesn't make an organization a "Patent Troll." It may be true that AGIS is struggling in the marketplace but they have full legal right to own patents and protect said patents as they deem appropriate and exercise that right whenever it is beneficial to them. I also agree others on this thread that your belligerent language only makes you seem childish and immature.
- crhulls 12y ago
  What sort of language would you suggest?
  - melloclello 12y ago
    Man, I gotta say I thought that that bit about karma was pretty calm and collected - if it was me I don't think I would have been able to resist using far stronger language
  - thesausageking 12y ago
    Patent holder ? Inventor ? Honest question: Have you read their patent ? If so, why don't you think it has merit ?
paul9290 12y ago
Good on you! You were lucky to the point of creating something that you got the rich to back you and lucky that people used your product. For the unlucky their is the patent system in which can be used to get ones fair share!
- paul9290 12y ago
  Why is this being downvoted? This is not a patent troll, rather it's a company still in business who is struggling. Are they supposed to just shut down and fail and give up their IP because of it? In start-ups your either lucky or unlucky. The unlucky work just as hard as the lucky!
  - xelipe 12y ago
    Because any sentiment other than "fuck those patent troll piece of shit douchbags, bro" will be voted down by the pro life360 cabal.
    - crhulls 12y ago
      I think it is being downvoted because it doesn't address the real content here. We are being sued for having markers on a map. Who cares if the company is operating or not?
deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
thesausageking 12y ago
a) They're not a patent troll. Patent trolls don't create or sell anything and instead just sue people. This company has been around a while and has a real product with real paying customers. b) Name calling ("Piece of Shit", "assholes") and baseless accusations ("the company seems to be failing...") don't help your cause. If you don't believe you're infringing or it's an obvious patent that should be invalidated, say why or keep your mouth shut.
tiquorsj 12y ago
Grats on the raise. Your response was childish and inappropriate. If your goal is to get PR then that might be a good strategy except now in the Media you still look childish and only a certain portion will think it was appropriate. If your goal is to win this case then little things like that name calling can hurt you and do nothing more than stroke your ego.

by crhulls 12y ago

gnoway 12y ago

I don't think a company helmed by the inventor which actually sells a product based on the patents is a patent troll. How do you know the company is failing? And why would that knowledge lead you to believe both that their inquiry was trollish and that it was responsible and appropriate to reply as you did? Forgive me if I'm just missing the obvious; I have not studied the patents in question and I wouldn't know whether they were legit if I did. But I think of a patent troll as an entity which acquires patents from other companies/inventors for the sole purpose of litigating them, and this company does not appear to fit that model at all.

akerl_ 12y ago

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but while lots of us will support your feelings, your choice of how to display them makes you appear childish. It's unlikely to help your overall point.

crhulls 12y ago
Yea, it was childish, but you know what...it felt good. The whole thing is such a broken mess that giving them the standard prim and proper legal response only helps perpetuate a broken system. Also, now they are going right to suing us instead of asking for a settlement. This is good for everyone else, because if we win, their patent is invalidated and they can't do this to another company. I think Series B/C/D companies like us should take these more aggressive stands. We are big enough we don't have to roll over, but we are still small enough that we don't have to be beholden to our own legal departments.

xelipe 12y ago

First thing you have to understand is that the ownership of a patent alone doesn't make an organization a "Patent Troll." It may be true that AGIS is struggling in the marketplace but they have full legal right to own patents and protect said patents as they deem appropriate and exercise that right whenever it is beneficial to them. I also agree others on this thread that your belligerent language only makes you seem childish and immature.

crhulls 12y ago
What sort of language would you suggest?
- melloclello 12y ago
  Man, I gotta say I thought that that bit about karma was pretty calm and collected - if it was me I don't think I would have been able to resist using far stronger language
- thesausageking 12y ago
  Patent holder ? Inventor ? Honest question: Have you read their patent ? If so, why don't you think it has merit ?

paul9290 12y ago

Good on you! You were lucky to the point of creating something that you got the rich to back you and lucky that people used your product. For the unlucky their is the patent system in which can be used to get ones fair share!

paul9290 12y ago
Why is this being downvoted? This is not a patent troll, rather it's a company still in business who is struggling. Are they supposed to just shut down and fail and give up their IP because of it? In start-ups your either lucky or unlucky. The unlucky work just as hard as the lucky!
- xelipe 12y ago
  Because any sentiment other than "fuck those patent troll piece of shit douchbags, bro" will be voted down by the pro life360 cabal.
  - crhulls 12y ago
    I think it is being downvoted because it doesn't address the real content here. We are being sued for having markers on a map. Who cares if the company is operating or not?

deleted 12y ago

[deleted]

thesausageking 12y ago

a) They're not a patent troll. Patent trolls don't create or sell anything and instead just sue people. This company has been around a while and has a real product with real paying customers. b) Name calling ("Piece of Shit", "assholes") and baseless accusations ("the company seems to be failing...") don't help your cause. If you don't believe you're infringing or it's an obvious patent that should be invalidated, say why or keep your mouth shut.

tiquorsj 12y ago

Grats on the raise. Your response was childish and inappropriate. If your goal is to get PR then that might be a good strategy except now in the Media you still look childish and only a certain portion will think it was appropriate. If your goal is to win this case then little things like that name calling can hurt you and do nothing more than stroke your ego.