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If the parent is guilty of over simplification, you are guilty of obfuscation. While technically the RSS may have a Muslim wing tucked away somewhere with some

by r0h1n 12y ago

If the parent is guilty of over simplification, you are guilty of obfuscation. While technically the RSS may have a Muslim wing tucked away somewhere with some token members, it was, is and will remain the umbrella organization for advancing the Hindu (religious) viewpoint. It has been violent many times in its history, and even today stands accused of engineering everything from riots to bomb blasts. And always with an anti-Muslim agenda. Mind you I'm not saying Modi will follow the RSS agenda (I don't think he will, he's far too shrewd and smart for that. He will not compromise his ability to stay PM for 10-15 years for short-term Hindutva agendas). A former colleague of mine just wrote a magisterial account of the RSS' history and future in India for Caravan magazine. I'd recommend those who want to understand more about RSS, BJP and yes, Narendra Modi too, give it a read at leisure. It is a long piece. http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/rss-30 http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/rss-30

tn13 12y ago
I was associated with more than 10 years or so and I still do not know what this "Hindu religious viewpoint". I have always been pure atheist while I worked for RSS. I was close to higher ups in RSS and I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Communist, Church and Muslim organizations and very constantly write unsubstantiated bs about RSS in amagazines like Caravan. There are many things wrong with RSS, I would rather listen to Dr. Koenraad Elst's critic of RSS rather than something written by a intern at Caravan magazine.
- cubancigar11 12y ago
  I feel I should plunge into this mud puddle. I was part of the RSS shakhas. My family has been, for generations, part of RSS. Advani stayed at my house at the time of emergency. > I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Have you ever read any of the autobiographies of RSS 'sanghsarchalaks' (leaders)? I am not even talking about Gowalikar. Any recent ones? Have you ever read any issue of RSS mouthpiece magazine? Have you ever visited http://rss.org http://rss.org ? > Communist, Church and Muslim organizations... In short, the evergreen enemies of RSS and Hindu Nation. > write unsubstantiated bs about RSS... Do you have any backing beside RSS mouthpiece magazines? > I would rather listen to Dr. Koenraad Elst Because a true nationalist listens to outsiders who agree than nationals who disagree?
  - tn13 12y ago
    I am not sure what your point is. Which "sanghchalak" has written an "autobiography" ? The minor books like a bunch of thoughts are pretty vague and rarely discussed in detail at any of the camps. Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example. Both The founder Hedgewar and Guruji were pretty clear the the objective (or agenda) of the organization is "hindu unity for the sake of unity". There was not agenda related to politics, other communities or religions which the OP seemed to imply. The left-liberals in India generally reduce to that group Communists, Church and Secular. That is known. For example US denying visa to Modi is not some grand moral stand by US but rather an appeasement of fractional religious groups in US itself. I could have mentioned Ram Swarup, Sitaram Goel, Harsh Narain and many more. But unfortunately their work relatively old compared to Dr. Elst.
    - cubancigar11 12y ago
      So I have been downvoted even though all I offered was facts. You appear to have been miffed by the word "autobiography". But I think you know which volumes of books I am talking about. > Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example. First of all, these books are not discussed in detail at any camps just like Vector Algebra is not discussed in any nursery. What is your point? The leaders of RSS have consistently espoused a bigoted and fascist agenda which you have convinietly skipped over while wondering what "Hindu religious viewpoint" people are clamoring about. Please be clear: being against RSS is not being against "Hindu religious viewpoint", it is being against 'muslims are breeding like rabbits we need to control them like a pest' and 'Hindus are being attacked we must rally and unite behind a common cause of controling muslims like a pest' mentality. Let me know if you think RSS disagrees with this ideology and I will stop this discussion right here. Also, Stalin's work? You meant Marx? I have yet to meet a liberal (which is what RSS means when they talk about commies) that has ever read Marx. That _should_ shatter your understanding of whatever you have understood about 'commies'. Imagine how much wrong you just might be about the rest of it. > and Secular. And what are the characteristics of these 'secular'? A politically loaded term that has no place in a discussion grounded in reality. > For example US denying visa to Modi... F*ck US visa who cares about it?

by r0h1n 12y ago

tn13 12y ago

I was associated with more than 10 years or so and I still do not know what this "Hindu religious viewpoint". I have always been pure atheist while I worked for RSS. I was close to higher ups in RSS and I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Communist, Church and Muslim organizations and very constantly write unsubstantiated bs about RSS in amagazines like Caravan. There are many things wrong with RSS, I would rather listen to Dr. Koenraad Elst's critic of RSS rather than something written by a intern at Caravan magazine.

cubancigar11 12y ago
I feel I should plunge into this mud puddle. I was part of the RSS shakhas. My family has been, for generations, part of RSS. Advani stayed at my house at the time of emergency. > I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Have you ever read any of the autobiographies of RSS 'sanghsarchalaks' (leaders)? I am not even talking about Gowalikar. Any recent ones? Have you ever read any issue of RSS mouthpiece magazine? Have you ever visited http://rss.org http://rss.org ? > Communist, Church and Muslim organizations... In short, the evergreen enemies of RSS and Hindu Nation. > write unsubstantiated bs about RSS... Do you have any backing beside RSS mouthpiece magazines? > I would rather listen to Dr. Koenraad Elst Because a true nationalist listens to outsiders who agree than nationals who disagree?
- tn13 12y ago
  I am not sure what your point is. Which "sanghchalak" has written an "autobiography" ? The minor books like a bunch of thoughts are pretty vague and rarely discussed in detail at any of the camps. Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example. Both The founder Hedgewar and Guruji were pretty clear the the objective (or agenda) of the organization is "hindu unity for the sake of unity". There was not agenda related to politics, other communities or religions which the OP seemed to imply. The left-liberals in India generally reduce to that group Communists, Church and Secular. That is known. For example US denying visa to Modi is not some grand moral stand by US but rather an appeasement of fractional religious groups in US itself. I could have mentioned Ram Swarup, Sitaram Goel, Harsh Narain and many more. But unfortunately their work relatively old compared to Dr. Elst.
  - cubancigar11 12y ago
    So I have been downvoted even though all I offered was facts. You appear to have been miffed by the word "autobiography". But I think you know which volumes of books I am talking about. > Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example. First of all, these books are not discussed in detail at any camps just like Vector Algebra is not discussed in any nursery. What is your point? The leaders of RSS have consistently espoused a bigoted and fascist agenda which you have convinietly skipped over while wondering what "Hindu religious viewpoint" people are clamoring about. Please be clear: being against RSS is not being against "Hindu religious viewpoint", it is being against 'muslims are breeding like rabbits we need to control them like a pest' and 'Hindus are being attacked we must rally and unite behind a common cause of controling muslims like a pest' mentality. Let me know if you think RSS disagrees with this ideology and I will stop this discussion right here. Also, Stalin's work? You meant Marx? I have yet to meet a liberal (which is what RSS means when they talk about commies) that has ever read Marx. That _should_ shatter your understanding of whatever you have understood about 'commies'. Imagine how much wrong you just might be about the rest of it. > and Secular. And what are the characteristics of these 'secular'? A politically loaded term that has no place in a discussion grounded in reality. > For example US denying visa to Modi... F*ck US visa who cares about it?