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Yes, but the issue people are taking is that the will of parliament/government was not absolute. England guaranteed they would do this, signed an international

by waps 12y ago

Yes, but the issue people are taking is that the will of parliament/government was not absolute. England guaranteed they would do this, signed an international treaty, then refused to do it. Like today with Ukraine. NATO's primary goal was to protect member nations territorial integrity against Russian incursion. Who here still believes NATO will do that, even if Russia just annexes the entirety of Ukraine and Poland ? The big issue people are having here is that it's an instance of clearly the government not being in control. What use is democracy if the government isn't in control ? What use is NATO if it doesn't respond to territorial incursions ?

salvadors 12y ago
> NATO's primary goal was to protect member nations territorial integrity against Russian incursion. Who here still believes NATO will do that There's a big difference between annexing (parts of, or even all of) Ukraine (which isn't a NATO member), and Poland (which is not only in NATO, but also the EU)
taway9876 12y ago
1st, trades like this don't ever EVER happen out of the blue; there is always corruption - insider information and insider trading ..and market manipulation involved(just based on the leaks and medialised information during the past 2 years its pretty safe to say that all major markets are rigged). This trend of idealizing sociopathic individualism and white-collar criminals that are destroying the lives and feeding on the wealth of millions, disguising it as some acts of genius is making me mad(Wolf of Wall Street? seriously?). We are being robbed and a lot of money is being spent on promoting this the way you just did.. UA is not in NATO, this alone renders your "notion" a little misleading at best. Shouldn't NATO been dissolved after the Warshaw Pact ended? Who is really the "bad guy" in this complicated matter? Is the corrupt oligopolistic Russia(that was literaly taken apart 2 decades ago) the real aggressor?[1] But since this is not about UA I'll leave it here. I do agree with your 3rd paragraph though. We're experiencing a play on democracy - a oppressive global regime with its equivalent of kings, aristocracy, vassals, the dirt in between and slavery, packed in golden toilet paper.. with a lot of democracy-stickers on it.. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntB872pJ20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntB872pJ20
- SixSigma 12y ago
  The BoE was the one trying to manipulate the market and the market reacted.
kbart 12y ago
Your example is misleading. Ukraine is not a part of NATO (unlike Poland you have mentioned) and alliance cannot start military actions there legally, unless it threatens one of the member countries directly. Such actions would surely provoke a war with Russia and no sane west politician would want that.

by waps 12y ago

salvadors 12y ago

> NATO's primary goal was to protect member nations territorial integrity against Russian incursion. Who here still believes NATO will do that There's a big difference between annexing (parts of, or even all of) Ukraine (which isn't a NATO member), and Poland (which is not only in NATO, but also the EU)

taway9876 12y ago

1st, trades like this don't ever EVER happen out of the blue; there is always corruption - insider information and insider trading ..and market manipulation involved(just based on the leaks and medialised information during the past 2 years its pretty safe to say that all major markets are rigged). This trend of idealizing sociopathic individualism and white-collar criminals that are destroying the lives and feeding on the wealth of millions, disguising it as some acts of genius is making me mad(Wolf of Wall Street? seriously?). We are being robbed and a lot of money is being spent on promoting this the way you just did.. UA is not in NATO, this alone renders your "notion" a little misleading at best. Shouldn't NATO been dissolved after the Warshaw Pact ended? Who is really the "bad guy" in this complicated matter? Is the corrupt oligopolistic Russia(that was literaly taken apart 2 decades ago) the real aggressor?[1] But since this is not about UA I'll leave it here. I do agree with your 3rd paragraph though. We're experiencing a play on democracy - a oppressive global regime with its equivalent of kings, aristocracy, vassals, the dirt in between and slavery, packed in golden toilet paper.. with a lot of democracy-stickers on it.. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntB872pJ20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntB872pJ20

SixSigma 12y ago
The BoE was the one trying to manipulate the market and the market reacted.

kbart 12y ago

Your example is misleading. Ukraine is not a part of NATO (unlike Poland you have mentioned) and alliance cannot start military actions there legally, unless it threatens one of the member countries directly. Such actions would surely provoke a war with Russia and no sane west politician would want that.