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What's the strawman? Collision(Car + Bicyclist) = Dead or hurt bicyclist almost every single time. Is that in contention? Idaho can have it's Idaho stop, but i

What's the strawman? Collision(Car + Bicyclist) = Dead or hurt bicyclist almost every single time. Is that in contention? Idaho can have it's Idaho stop, but in my big congested city I believe it's better and safer for everyone to keep green lights clear of any and all orthogonal traffic, especially when the odds of survival are so one sided and the gains so inconsequential. > Paying attention to your surroundings and not relying too heavily on predictability is how you avoid accidents and hurting people. This is true with or without bicyclists on the road. > Solely relying on muscle memory and predicability means you are a very BAD driver. I can't even... what are you saying? Paying attention to your surroundings is how you predict (which is why the predictability of other animate actors is important) and muscle memory is how you get better at dealing with all situations, mundane or extreme, through practice and experience.

shkkmo 13y ago
> What's the strawman? I said: >They did not follow the idaho stop law. The straw man is equating someone who runs a red without stopping or checking for traffic with someone who follows the idaho stop law. > Paying attention to your surroundings is how you predict Huh? Making assumptions based on past experience is how you predict. If you are relying on your assumptions about what people are doing and not carefully watching what they are doing is a danger. Obviously, all three (attention, prediction, and muscle memory) contribute to safe driving. However, I would rather have a driving that is watching what I am doing than a driving that thinks he can predict what I am doing. That is why I objected to this line "When you're driving a car, predictability and muscle memory are pretty much the only thing that keeps you alive". >>> Solely relying on muscle memory and predicability means you are a very BAD driver. This is how I see most drivers operate. This is why there are certain areas where as pedestrian I have to yield to traffic even though I have the right of way. Very few drivers pay proper attention to their surroundings.

shkkmo 13y ago

> What's the strawman? I said: >They did not follow the idaho stop law. The straw man is equating someone who runs a red without stopping or checking for traffic with someone who follows the idaho stop law. > Paying attention to your surroundings is how you predict Huh? Making assumptions based on past experience is how you predict. If you are relying on your assumptions about what people are doing and not carefully watching what they are doing is a danger. Obviously, all three (attention, prediction, and muscle memory) contribute to safe driving. However, I would rather have a driving that is watching what I am doing than a driving that thinks he can predict what I am doing. That is why I objected to this line "When you're driving a car, predictability and muscle memory are pretty much the only thing that keeps you alive". >>> Solely relying on muscle memory and predicability means you are a very BAD driver. This is how I see most drivers operate. This is why there are certain areas where as pedestrian I have to yield to traffic even though I have the right of way. Very few drivers pay proper attention to their surroundings.