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Show HN: Take It Apart
- patslat 12y ago"Welcome to TakeItApart.com False"
- ultimatedelman 12y agocame here just to say this. looks like someone's binding is off?
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- mschuster91 12y agoEverytime I see electronics like https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/81 https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/81, I feel like "shit, how incredibly precise have robots become". Those resistors on the last image, attached to the 3.5mm jack, are 0.3mm wide and 0.5mm high, and spaced together with next-to-zero distance. And yet, the pick+place process was exact enough that the components didn't just melt together. Awesome.
- agoetz 12y agoMost of the magic doesn't come from the robots, it comes from the soldermask. Surface tension from molten solder will move misaligned parts by a surprising amount: http://youtu.be/N_195d7bP9M?t=3m10s http://youtu.be/N_195d7bP9M?t=3m10s
- k0 12y agoThat solder mask is cool, but placing epoxy dots before placing the component works pretty good, especially if a reflow oven is used anyways. Misaligned components at high-tolerance has been an issue with solder masks, and not all silicon based solder masks are CE-compliant. The time it takes to drop epoxy dots is less than the time to retouch and realign the component. I used to program PNP and CNC machines back in the heyday of Cray, then moved up to developing the software to program PNPs and CNCs (shit, I've come a long way since then but still miss the sweet smell of lead in the morning from the wave solderers) improving "fiduciary" operations and increasing speed, accuracy, and feeding.
- kennywinker 12y agoDo none of the teardowns include text? Descriptions of how to do specific steps are super useful if any of the steps are tricky or hard to show visually.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoI'm one or the TakeItAparts. I definitely agree that text descriptions are essential. The site is just getting going and we wanted to have some content on the site, but we haven't had a chance to fully annotate the guides. That said, the guide creation process allows you to add Markdown text blocks to each image (or video) as well as the guide itself, and images can be annotated with hover-over photo notes. The photo notes themselves can optionally be tagged as "components" (for part numbers), making salvageable or repairable components easy to search for and enumerate.
- dten 12y agoWhy does it keep refreshing the page?! 0.7082894736842106 f39efb125de9.js:922 "scaled container width: 566.6315789473684"
- tomkinstinch 12y agoOP here. If you saw that on a guide page, that's an experimental script we're trying to rescale image containers to the viewport. A window resize would trigger a refresh. It's not clear if we'll keep the behavior. If you make an account, there is a profile option to turn it off (as well as the always-on hover over notes).
- cfqycwz 12y agoIt would probably make sense to disable that effect on mobile--the constant address bar disappearing and reappearing mobile browsers do triggers a lot of refreshing. Maybe just listen for orientation-change events instead? Very cool site otherwise, keep it up!
- tomkinstinch 12y agoGreat tip, thanks. It's been added to our To-Dos. We're reworking that functionality in general so it may be a little while before the fix is included, especially with all of us on deck for the Maker Faire this weekend.
- smoyer 12y agoTo quote a blog post I wrote in 2006 [1]: "To be fair to my parents, they did supply a vast supply of love, encouragement with my more sensible interests, pushed me in school (that was a lot of work and would have been much easier if I'd understood my personality type and learning style at the time) and provided an endless supply of items that I could take apart in an effort to satisfy my curiousity of "How this works" (they were especially happy when I became skilled enough to successfully reassemble these items)." Perhaps it would be a good idea to show how to reassemble the more expensive items. Future parents would be grateful. [1] - http://codesnipers.com/?q=microivs-making-dreams-come-true http://codesnipers.com/?q=microivs-making-dreams-come-true
- sanswork 12y agoI still remember the first VCR I actually managed to get back together and working in all its dark wood panelled glory. I moved onto software a few years later to the excitement of my mother since I was a forgetful child with a lot of burn marks on the floor where I'd forgotten or dropped a soldering iron. Computer parts everywhere and a busy phone line were better than the risk of a burnt down house.
- HeyLaughingBoy 12y agoHoly cow. It was really 8 years ago, wasn't it? I remember being on BoS at the time and watching patio11's BCC experiment with interest and promising myself to get off my butt and start another business. A bit off topic, but time sure does fly!
- washt 12y agoIt would be cool if it had some sort of exchange for the individual parts after tear down. For instance I have an old smart phone with a broken lcd, but I'm sure the other parts are working. If I could use this site to document the teardown and sell or trade the individual components afterward for something I need on current project, that'd be epic.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoThat's a great idea. Fulfillment could be a problem, but maybe we could just connect people who have parts with those who need them? The best we do currently is create Octopart links for hover-over notes that are marked as components.
- janineyoong 12y agoEmail us at contact at octopart.com! Let's see if we can do something even better together.
- 6d0debc071 12y agoSecure connection: fatal error (1066) https://www.takeitapart.com/ https://www.takeitapart.com/ Unable to verify the website's identity (OCSP error). The response from the online certificate validation (OCSP) server was too old.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoOne of the TakeItAparts here. We've seen this in browsers where the OCSP request fails (on the Comodo side), but the browser does not fall back to a CRL check. What browser were you using when saw the error?
- 6d0debc071 12y agoOpera 12.16
- tomkinstinch 12y agoIt looks like this is a known problem with Opera 12.16[1][2]. According to the linked thread, a workaround is to disable opera:config#SecurityPrefs|OCSPValidateCertificates (obviously not ideal). You might see if it is fixed in 12.17. I do get an OCSP response if I run: openssl s_client -connect takeitapart.com:443 -tls1_2 -tlsextdebug -status Qualys also shows OCSP is working (though seemingly not part of the A+ rating)[3]. 1. http://forums.opera.com/discussion/1773932/broken-websites-twitter-tumblr/p1 http://forums.opera.com/discussion/1773932/broken-websites-t... 2. https://www.google.com/search?{google:acceptedSuggestion}oq=opera+12.16+The+response+from+the+online+certificate+validation+(OCSP)+server+was+too+old&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=opera+12.16+The+response+from+the+online+certificate+validation+(OCSP)+server+was+too+old https://www.google.com/search?{google:acceptedSuggestion}oq=... 3. https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=takeitapart.com https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=takeitapart.c...
- 6d0debc071 12y agoAh, thank you for your time on this. :) I'm sorry to hear it's a browser end problem.
- derwiki 12y agoI learned of a similar site yesterday, http://www.ifixit.com/ http://www.ifixit.com/
- washt 12y agoA computer repair shop I worked for used ifixit everyday. Big pictures, warnings when you can easily break stuff( I severed many a flex cable when a started), and clear instructions. The only setback is the range of devices well documented. Once you get outside of mainstream devices, or something made a year or two ago, the docs get skimpy.
- Spittie 12y agoIt's probably standard legalese, but I find it funny that in the TOS (https://www.takeitapart.com/terms-of-use https://www.takeitapart.com/terms-of-use) there is You acknowledge that (i) you own and are solely responsible for the content that you submit, post, or transmit And You grant TakeItApart a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, store, display, delete, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, perform, and distribute your user content for the purposes of operating, developing, providing, promoting, and using our Site. Nothing in these Terms shall restrict our legal rights to user content. Pretty much a "we own the content you submit, but if this bother someone, it's your fault and you'll face the aftermatch". That said, it looks like a nice site, a crowdsourced iFixIt. Maybe the next time I take something apart I'll remember to take some photos (I'd me more willing to contribute if the TOS wasn't so restrictive, but since I still own my content I don't mind so much").
- webmaven 12y agoNot quite 'own' as the license is non-exclusive. Also interesting that the usual word 'perpetual' is missing.
- grinich 12y agoThis is so they can generate thumbnails of images. Yes, seriously.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoOne of the TakeItAparts here. We're certainly open to refining our Terms if others have been down a similar path before and have advice. My personal belief is to grant the user permissive rights, but we still need to worry about liability. We're certainly open to revisions.
- MaxGabriel 12y agoCould you use a Creative Commons licensing scheme like Stack Exchange?
- sferoze 12y agoI love this website. I like the variety of products.
- sferoze 12y agoIt would be cool if you also had someone explain a little about the internals of the product. I really enjoy watching these khan academy videos. Check them out for an idea of what I am talking about: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/discoveries-projects/Reverse-Eng https://www.khanacademy.org/science/discoveries-projects/Rev...
- tomkinstinch 12y agoWe want to create a culture on the site that explains the engineering and industrial design concepts behind the items on the site. How to inculcate that imperative isn't clear, but we're starting with community outreach and then hope to lead by example (the Roku guide is a step in that direction). We were at the World Maker Faire in New York last fall, and we'll be at the Bay Area Maker Faire in San Mateo this weekend [come visit us! :-) ]. At each Maker Faire we brought a supply of e-waste items that faire goers could take apart themselves. As they turned screws and pried access panels we explained what components do, and some of the design decisions that went in to the products. The reception was phenomenal, particularly among school kids (with a roughly even breakdown of interest between the genders). We are also reaching out to Makerspaces to spread awareness. We're hoping that the site will evolve to provide a similar virtual experience to the one Faire goers experienced at the Maker Faires. Essentially, we want the site to show that it is okay to take things apart, whether to repair, to salvage components, or to learn. The hope is that the guides on the site, submitted by users, will allow anyone to "take something apart" without having to pick up a screwdriver. Creating a new guide is as easy as uploading a bulk selection of images, and clicking "Continue" a few times. Basic image editing like rotation and cropping can be done on the site, and it's easy to include image annotations and tool lists.
- sferoze 12y agoMy quora question relates to this, please answer if you can: http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-books-or-classes-about-product-design-for-manufacturing?__snids__=444547391&__nsrc__=1 http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-books-or-classes-abo...
- Casseres 12y agoHey Chris! I wonder if you remember me. I wrote the post on the Compaq Presario R3000 back in 2006. I'm glad to see you still have the website going and even got the .com for it.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoNice to be back in touch, here and out of band.
- nathanb 12y agoWhy does it say "Welcome to TakeItApart.com False" on the banner? Is it false that I am welcome? ;) (I'm assuming it's a bug...consider this a bug report) Very cool site. I've needed something like this for a while. I'll bookmark it, and when I have more time I'll be glad to contribute information about Logitech trackballs and some Asus Eee PCs which gave me disassembly trouble a while back!
- tomkinstinch 12y agoHa, that's embarrassing. That boolean was a test statement that slipped through; it's fixed now. :) Having guides on trackballs and Eee PCs would be wonderful, and I'm sure they would be helpful to others! If you do submit guides, we'd also welcome feedback on the guide creation process and any suggestions you may have to improve it.
- asadlionpk 12y agoAs someone said, a crowdsourced version of iFixit. I will definitely keep this bookmarked because I usually try to fix my phones, gadgets myself.
- asptimothy 12y agoiFixit is all user-contributed / crowd-sourced. http://www.ifixit.com/Contribute http://www.ifixit.com/Contribute
- betadreamer 12y agoVery nice. I don't have to dig through youtube anymore to fix stuff. Good choice on pictures vs videos btw. I don't have to trace back.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoIf anyone is interested in the tech stack, it's based on Django under uWSGI, and all of the services run within Docker containers. Pillow wasn't fast enough for us to resize and crop images, so we have some faster custom code there, and we run all images through jpegtran for lossless compression. [I particularly like being able to crop all of the images within a guide on one page, with an easy scroll between images.] Guide images are pushed to S3 by Celery, and we're using MySQL as the database (though we will likely move to PostgreSQL in the future). Logging is centralized by sending log messages to rsyslog on each container via named pipes rather than log files (primarily so we can use the community version of nginx). The container rsyslog instances then redirect to a central rsyslog container and finally to loggly. We use memcached. We do dev on VMs, but the actual app runs on high-memory machines we picked up from eBay that according to Dell phone support are second-hand Facebook memcached boxes.
- nickstinemates 12y agoHow cool :) Love hearing about sites running Docker in production. Please get in touch: nick@docker.com. We're always looking for people doing awesome stuff.
- dalore 12y agoFor images, we used to do it ourselves but then moved to hosted images (cloudinary). Much better, and allows stateless web servers.
- coldpie 12y agoThe guide pages (e.g. [1]) are continually reloading for me. Maybe it's refreshing once per image load, or something, but I don't have the patience to wait. It did not reload continuously until I allowed JS on the page, which I did because JS is required to load images. Something seems broken. Firefox 29.0.1 on Linux. [1] https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/72 https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/72
- tomkinstinch 12y agoThanks for the report. It should definitely not be reloading continually, but only on window resize to rescale the photo containers. We'll look into it. I've disabled the functionality for anonymous users for now. It remains a profile option for authenticated users. Images are lazily loaded, but that should be triggering a rescale. We are working to rethink the rescale functionality, so fixes and changes are coming (after this weekend's Maker Faire).
- warcode 12y agoI'd rather want putitbacktogether.com. Disassembling something I can usually figure out easily, but putting it back together is not that straight forward.
- userbinator 12y agoIf you're interested in informational and entertaining videos of someone taking things apart, check out the EEVblog teardown series: http://www.eevblog.com/episodes/ http://www.eevblog.com/episodes/ Allowing video guides (linking to them, if you can't handle the bandwidth of serving them locally) on your site would also be a good idea.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoDave Jones' video blog is fantastic. I love it. We can handle a mixture of videos and images in our guides. Any video files selected during guide creation are uploaded directly to a user's youtube account via oauth, without leaving our site. None on our team are great at video editing, so we haven't emphasized that capability of the site. There are a few videos in this guide to give an idea of how it could work (as a potential alternative to singular lengthy videos): https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/40 https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/40
- rasz_pl 12y agoSecure connection: fatal error (1066) https://www.takeitapart.com/ https://www.takeitapart.com/ Unable to verify the website's identity (OCSP error). The response from the online certificate validation (OCSP) server was too old.
- tomkinstinch 12y agoAre you on Opera? See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7753129 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7753129