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TV Tropes is total crap now. I also departed around the time of one of the big censorship debacles, and honestly, don't miss it. PS. thanks for indirectly shar

TV Tropes is total crap now. I also departed around the time of one of the big censorship debacles, and honestly, don't miss it. PS. thanks for indirectly sharing a link to All The Tropes (linked author's fork of TVTropes) too; might have a poke around there.

malnourish 12y ago
Can you expand? What happened with the censorship? As a casual, occasional browser I don't know where to start looking.
- blueskin_ 12y ago
  They've had a couple of rounds of deleting anything that might be considered sexual, NSFW, or controversial reference or language, as well as renaming articles. This is to make the site more attractive for advertisers because the admins want moar moniez. It's also worse on tvtropes than most wikis because there is a very limited revision history on most pages (might be the weird software they use rather than admin-imposed), and anything that falls of the end of it after long enough is gone forever.
  - wwwwwwwwww 12y ago
    I'm still mad about them going and removing all the monster girl quest articles during that spiel. That was pretty much the end of tvtropes for me.
    - hga 12y ago
      Trying to learn about that game so I could understand a good fanfic was what alerted me to the problem, and not surprisingly the first fork of the site I looked at, back when it was announced on HN (can't find the link, unfortunately), the front page (Wikimedia) highlighted that title.
- aliakbarkhan 12y ago
  I would appreciate some more detail, too. I've noticed that I find TVT much less engrossing than I did a few years ago, but I thought I'd just grown out of it. If there's an explanation for the decline I would be very interested to hear it. edit: How accurate is the Encyclopedia Dramatica article on TVT? I normally avoid ED, but I gave in this time because it seems to be pretty comprehensive. edit 2: I found this blog: http://tvtropeshistory.blogspot.com/ http://tvtropeshistory.blogspot.com/ Obviously it's hard to verify histories like these, but it seems pretty in-depth.
  - TuringTest 12y ago
    I made the same questions when I discovered All The Tropes, these are the most relevant links I found: * The Google Incident [1] explains first-hand why TV Tropes adopted tighter guidelines against sexual fan fiction, from which several forks were created as reaction. * The fork All The Tropes explains how they are different[2], and why they made the fork [3]. * This recent discussion at MetaFilter have lots of details and reaction from the community [4]. * These are the most juicy discussions at TV Tropes itself: [5] [6] -- [1] https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/The_Google_Incident https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/The_Google_Incident [2] https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Who_we_are https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Who_we_ar... [3] https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Why_Fork_TV_Tropes https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Why_Fork_... [4] http://www.metafilter.com/138391/You-are-in-yet-another-maze-of-twisty-little-passages-all-alike http://www.metafilter.com/138391/You-are-in-yet-another-maze... [5] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13850739750A54111300&page=1 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13850739750A... [6] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13426240890A52600100&page=1#17 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13426240890A...
    - blueskin_ 12y ago
      How does a site like tvtropes need thousands per month? they must be doing something wrong... Stick it on a few linode or AWS VPSes and add some backend code to bring in new ones as load goes up, maybe with physical servers for database backend. Switch to nginx if it doesn't use it already (can't remember (edit: yep, using Apache; also seems to only be on a single IP, hosted by ServerBeach)), add memcached, perhaps put the whole thing behind cloudflare, and problem solved.

malnourish 12y ago

Can you expand? What happened with the censorship? As a casual, occasional browser I don't know where to start looking.

blueskin_ 12y ago
They've had a couple of rounds of deleting anything that might be considered sexual, NSFW, or controversial reference or language, as well as renaming articles. This is to make the site more attractive for advertisers because the admins want moar moniez. It's also worse on tvtropes than most wikis because there is a very limited revision history on most pages (might be the weird software they use rather than admin-imposed), and anything that falls of the end of it after long enough is gone forever.
- wwwwwwwwww 12y ago
  I'm still mad about them going and removing all the monster girl quest articles during that spiel. That was pretty much the end of tvtropes for me.
  - hga 12y ago
    Trying to learn about that game so I could understand a good fanfic was what alerted me to the problem, and not surprisingly the first fork of the site I looked at, back when it was announced on HN (can't find the link, unfortunately), the front page (Wikimedia) highlighted that title.
aliakbarkhan 12y ago
I would appreciate some more detail, too. I've noticed that I find TVT much less engrossing than I did a few years ago, but I thought I'd just grown out of it. If there's an explanation for the decline I would be very interested to hear it. edit: How accurate is the Encyclopedia Dramatica article on TVT? I normally avoid ED, but I gave in this time because it seems to be pretty comprehensive. edit 2: I found this blog: http://tvtropeshistory.blogspot.com/ http://tvtropeshistory.blogspot.com/ Obviously it's hard to verify histories like these, but it seems pretty in-depth.
- TuringTest 12y ago
  I made the same questions when I discovered All The Tropes, these are the most relevant links I found: * The Google Incident [1] explains first-hand why TV Tropes adopted tighter guidelines against sexual fan fiction, from which several forks were created as reaction. * The fork All The Tropes explains how they are different[2], and why they made the fork [3]. * This recent discussion at MetaFilter have lots of details and reaction from the community [4]. * These are the most juicy discussions at TV Tropes itself: [5] [6] -- [1] https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/The_Google_Incident https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/The_Google_Incident [2] https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Who_we_are https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Who_we_ar... [3] https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Why_Fork_TV_Tropes https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Why_Fork_... [4] http://www.metafilter.com/138391/You-are-in-yet-another-maze-of-twisty-little-passages-all-alike http://www.metafilter.com/138391/You-are-in-yet-another-maze... [5] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13850739750A54111300&page=1 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13850739750A... [6] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13426240890A52600100&page=1#17 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13426240890A...
  - blueskin_ 12y ago
    How does a site like tvtropes need thousands per month? they must be doing something wrong... Stick it on a few linode or AWS VPSes and add some backend code to bring in new ones as load goes up, maybe with physical servers for database backend. Switch to nginx if it doesn't use it already (can't remember (edit: yep, using Apache; also seems to only be on a single IP, hosted by ServerBeach)), add memcached, perhaps put the whole thing behind cloudflare, and problem solved.