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>The issue of Net Neutrality is consistently misrepresented. This is not only not true, but the problem is typically understated. I'm paying for the bandwidth

>The issue of Net Neutrality is consistently misrepresented. This is not only not true, but the problem is typically understated. I'm paying for the bandwidth to my house. I pay extra to get a higher bandwidth capacity, in fact. Under absolutely no circumstances is it OK for my ISP to throttle YouTube or Netflix or any other site just because it's popular. They are double-dipping, it's that simple. I've already paid them for a pipe (allegedly) of a certain size. If I want to watch YouTube, then give me the bits at the rate that fit in the pipe I paid for. If I want to watch SomeOtherVideoStreamingSite, then I want it to stream to the limits of the pipe I'm paying for, whether or not SomeOtherVideoStreamingSite has coughed up extortion money. In markets where there are one or two ISPs available, if all available ISPs are engaging in this extortion, then my experience is degraded any time my ISP hasn't extracted its shakedown money from the site I want to visit. And that is abuse of a monopoly position, plain and simple.

JDDunn9 12y ago
I agree it's unfair to the customer, but the message is still being twisted to serve corporate interests. ISPs have been throttling bittorrent for a while now and no one was making a fuss about net neutrality then...
- SomeCallMeTim 12y ago
  If the corporate interests align with my interests, I'm fine with them standing up for my rights by accident, as it were. I'd like to see a world with no BitTorrent throttling too, but given that I don't watch BitTorrent video in real time (or even use it for the most part), it's harder for me to get worked up about that. Don't get me wrong: I support the concept of complete net neutrality. It's just harder to achieve a political goal when only a small minority of people are affected.
- Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
  Loads of people make a fuss about bittorrent throttling, you know. Spend 5 minutes on Google backing up points before you make them.
  - JDDunn9 12y ago
    Not even close to the hype about net neutrality. Spend 5 minutes researching before spouting off garbage.
- pdonis 12y ago
  > ISPs have been throttling bittorrent for a while now That's because bittorrent uses a lot of upstream bandwidth, and the ISPs' contracts with their customers already explicitly limited upstream bandwidth to be much smaller than downstream bandwidth. With services like Netflix, the vast majority of the bandwidth is downstream. (That's not to say that I'm in favor of the standard ISP contracts: basically the ISPs want their customers to be passive consumers of content, not active creators of it, which has been a big factor in creating the system of highly centralized services we have today, rather than a much more robust system of decentralized services that was the original vision for the Internet. But that's a whole other argument.)
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JDDunn9 12y ago

I agree it's unfair to the customer, but the message is still being twisted to serve corporate interests. ISPs have been throttling bittorrent for a while now and no one was making a fuss about net neutrality then...

SomeCallMeTim 12y ago
If the corporate interests align with my interests, I'm fine with them standing up for my rights by accident, as it were. I'd like to see a world with no BitTorrent throttling too, but given that I don't watch BitTorrent video in real time (or even use it for the most part), it's harder for me to get worked up about that. Don't get me wrong: I support the concept of complete net neutrality. It's just harder to achieve a political goal when only a small minority of people are affected.
Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
Loads of people make a fuss about bittorrent throttling, you know. Spend 5 minutes on Google backing up points before you make them.
- JDDunn9 12y ago
  Not even close to the hype about net neutrality. Spend 5 minutes researching before spouting off garbage.
pdonis 12y ago
> ISPs have been throttling bittorrent for a while now That's because bittorrent uses a lot of upstream bandwidth, and the ISPs' contracts with their customers already explicitly limited upstream bandwidth to be much smaller than downstream bandwidth. With services like Netflix, the vast majority of the bandwidth is downstream. (That's not to say that I'm in favor of the standard ISP contracts: basically the ISPs want their customers to be passive consumers of content, not active creators of it, which has been a big factor in creating the system of highly centralized services we have today, rather than a much more robust system of decentralized services that was the original vision for the Internet. But that's a whole other argument.)

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